New Discovery 5
Discussion
Lefty said:
I really dont understand LR's strategy now.
New defender will be equivalent of D4
Disco sport is a bigger evoque
D5 is a bigger Disco Sport
RRS is...bigger than a D5?
RR is...well an RR. That's the only bit that makes sense to me.
Where does the velar fit? Between the Evoque and the Disco sport?
Velar fills the gap New defender will be equivalent of D4
Disco sport is a bigger evoque
D5 is a bigger Disco Sport
RRS is...bigger than a D5?
RR is...well an RR. That's the only bit that makes sense to me.
Where does the velar fit? Between the Evoque and the Disco sport?
between the Disco sport/Evoque/D5 and the RRS.It fills the price point a RRS used to be before they made it an £80k car when the new shape launched.
Having seen the velar at Geneva i'd suggest its the sportier / smaller Range Rover that the Evoque & RRS sport should have been when first launched
I can see it cannibalising most of the RRS sales
I see a lot of farmers in D4s or Izusu pickups in Gloucestershire
so:
practical family car - Disco sport
posh mum / granny / daughter car - Evoque
Farmers car - Izusu pickup
Posh Farmers car - Disco in base spec
Larger practical family car with usable 7 seats - Disco HSE
Sportier RR - Velar
Lord of the manor - RR
which leaves the RRS unloved.
I can see it cannibalising most of the RRS sales
I see a lot of farmers in D4s or Izusu pickups in Gloucestershire
so:
practical family car - Disco sport
posh mum / granny / daughter car - Evoque
Farmers car - Izusu pickup
Posh Farmers car - Disco in base spec
Larger practical family car with usable 7 seats - Disco HSE
Sportier RR - Velar
Lord of the manor - RR
which leaves the RRS unloved.
custardkid said:
Having seen the velar at Geneva i'd suggest its the sportier / smaller Range Rover that the Evoque & RRS sport should have been when first launched
I can see it cannibalising most of the RRS sales
I see a lot of farmers in D4s or Izusu pickups in Gloucestershire
so:
practical family car - Disco sport
posh mum / granny / daughter car - Evoque
Farmers car - Izusu pickup
Posh Farmers car - Disco in base spec
Larger practical family car with usable 7 seats - Disco HSE
Sportier RR - Velar
Lord of the manor - RR
which leaves the RRS unloved.
I'm not so sure, the Velar is aimed at the Macan while the RRS targets the Cayenne, while there's always cross over I think there is some daylight, especially as the majority of Velar sales are expected to be 2.0 litre though I take your point. The entire range will consist of 10 models within a few years time and I'm struggling to think just how many niches they can create!I can see it cannibalising most of the RRS sales
I see a lot of farmers in D4s or Izusu pickups in Gloucestershire
so:
practical family car - Disco sport
posh mum / granny / daughter car - Evoque
Farmers car - Izusu pickup
Posh Farmers car - Disco in base spec
Larger practical family car with usable 7 seats - Disco HSE
Sportier RR - Velar
Lord of the manor - RR
which leaves the RRS unloved.
Starting to see a few on the roads now, and I've had a good look around a couple at my local dealership.
Last night I was reading an original CAR magazine extract on the original 1989 Discovery expedition to the Sahara desert. They referred to the fact that it could have looked like any bland contemporary Japanese SUV, with only one passer by recognising it as a Land Rover. Over the years it came to be a more accepted shape on the roads, gained identity along the way with little in the way of change until 2004.
Then in 2004 along came the Discovery 3 "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER" everyone cried, "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY" etc. Very few styling cues were retained from the Discovery 1 or 2, though practicality and usability were definitely improved. From memory the D3 got off to a bit of a slow start sales wise, but picked up shortly after once people had got used to the shape I guess.
In 2016 the new Discovery comes along, and guess what we've heard... "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER", "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY"...
In my opinion in the flesh the car looks sufficiently different to a Discovery Sport, or indeed any other Land Rover offering. It looks far nicer in the flesh than it comes across in pictures, though I think it's quite spec dependant (I'm still waiting to see a Kaikoura Stone with 19 inch wheels and clear glass).
I'm a little way off being able to afford one right now, and while I still enjoy my D2 I'd like to think I could see myself in a D5 in the next few years
Last night I was reading an original CAR magazine extract on the original 1989 Discovery expedition to the Sahara desert. They referred to the fact that it could have looked like any bland contemporary Japanese SUV, with only one passer by recognising it as a Land Rover. Over the years it came to be a more accepted shape on the roads, gained identity along the way with little in the way of change until 2004.
Then in 2004 along came the Discovery 3 "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER" everyone cried, "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY" etc. Very few styling cues were retained from the Discovery 1 or 2, though practicality and usability were definitely improved. From memory the D3 got off to a bit of a slow start sales wise, but picked up shortly after once people had got used to the shape I guess.
In 2016 the new Discovery comes along, and guess what we've heard... "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER", "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY"...
In my opinion in the flesh the car looks sufficiently different to a Discovery Sport, or indeed any other Land Rover offering. It looks far nicer in the flesh than it comes across in pictures, though I think it's quite spec dependant (I'm still waiting to see a Kaikoura Stone with 19 inch wheels and clear glass).
I'm a little way off being able to afford one right now, and while I still enjoy my D2 I'd like to think I could see myself in a D5 in the next few years
GiveItSomeWellie said:
Starting to see a few on the roads now, and I've had a good look around a couple at my local dealership.
Last night I was reading an original CAR magazine extract on the original 1989 Discovery expedition to the Sahara desert. They referred to the fact that it could have looked like any bland contemporary Japanese SUV, with only one passer by recognising it as a Land Rover. Over the years it came to be a more accepted shape on the roads, gained identity along the way with little in the way of change until 2004.
Then in 2004 along came the Discovery 3 "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER" everyone cried, "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY" etc. Very few styling cues were retained from the Discovery 1 or 2, though practicality and usability were definitely improved. From memory the D3 got off to a bit of a slow start sales wise, but picked up shortly after once people had got used to the shape I guess.
In 2016 the new Discovery comes along, and guess what we've heard... "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER", "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY"...
In my opinion in the flesh the car looks sufficiently different to a Discovery Sport, or indeed any other Land Rover offering. It looks far nicer in the flesh than it comes across in pictures, though I think it's quite spec dependant (I'm still waiting to see a Kaikoura Stone with 19 inch wheels and clear glass).
I'm a little way off being able to afford one right now, and while I still enjoy my D2 I'd like to think I could see myself in a D5 in the next few years
I have also plotted out when I could progress from D3 to D4 ownership. D4 ownership could be 2021 and D5 maybe 2029 😕Last night I was reading an original CAR magazine extract on the original 1989 Discovery expedition to the Sahara desert. They referred to the fact that it could have looked like any bland contemporary Japanese SUV, with only one passer by recognising it as a Land Rover. Over the years it came to be a more accepted shape on the roads, gained identity along the way with little in the way of change until 2004.
Then in 2004 along came the Discovery 3 "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER" everyone cried, "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY" etc. Very few styling cues were retained from the Discovery 1 or 2, though practicality and usability were definitely improved. From memory the D3 got off to a bit of a slow start sales wise, but picked up shortly after once people had got used to the shape I guess.
In 2016 the new Discovery comes along, and guess what we've heard... "IT'S NOT A REAL LAND ROVER", "IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A DISCOVERY"...
In my opinion in the flesh the car looks sufficiently different to a Discovery Sport, or indeed any other Land Rover offering. It looks far nicer in the flesh than it comes across in pictures, though I think it's quite spec dependant (I'm still waiting to see a Kaikoura Stone with 19 inch wheels and clear glass).
I'm a little way off being able to afford one right now, and while I still enjoy my D2 I'd like to think I could see myself in a D5 in the next few years
As a current D4 owner I think it looks horrific, absolutely no desire to 'upgrade' from me. The thought of all those electric items fills me with dread, none of them are essential apart from looking blingy on a spec sheet.
If I was forced to change my car then a Volvo XC90 looks much better than this, 4 cyl engine aside, which is a real shame.
If I was forced to change my car then a Volvo XC90 looks much better than this, 4 cyl engine aside, which is a real shame.
cb31 said:
As a current D4 owner I think it looks horrific, absolutely no desire to 'upgrade' from me. The thought of all those electric items fills me with dread, none of them are essential apart from looking blingy on a spec sheet.
If I was forced to change my car then a Volvo XC90 looks much better than this, 4 cyl engine aside, which is a real shame.
Exactly my thoughts!! Saw 4 yesterday and they are truly awful. Followed one for 13 miles, my OCD was off the chart staring at the back of it!If I was forced to change my car then a Volvo XC90 looks much better than this, 4 cyl engine aside, which is a real shame.
Funnily enough my next company car will be XC90 T8 twin engine!
Edited by Sixpackpert on Wednesday 29th March 13:54
I am getting a new 3.0D HSE Lux next Thursday and will be going to Cornwall in it on the Saturday (300 mile trip from where I live). Looking forward to seeing how it goes. If anyone wants me to test/check/photograph anything just let me know 
Edited by Pintofbest on Wednesday 29th March 13:08
Current D4 owner here and finding the looks of the new one challenging. I'll definitely give it a try but will also look at a Q7 and XC90.. Anyone know if there will be a 7 seat option on the new Cayenne? Prefer the looks of the Velar to the new Disco but 7 seats a requirement for us.
Oh Man, just followed a white one on the road (probably the worst colour, granted).
My wife asked if it was a disabled version but I had to point out it was just the styling.
It's really is hideous from behind, too narrow, too high and the spare wheel hanging down like some sort of automotive haemorrhoid.
Bloody shame as we're big JLR fans despite the realities of ownership.
My wife asked if it was a disabled version but I had to point out it was just the styling.
It's really is hideous from behind, too narrow, too high and the spare wheel hanging down like some sort of automotive haemorrhoid.
Bloody shame as we're big JLR fans despite the realities of ownership.
Edited by robm3 on Wednesday 12th April 06:45
Pintofbest said:
I am getting a new 3.0D HSE Lux next Thursday and will be going to Cornwall in it on the Saturday (300 mile trip from where I live). Looking forward to seeing how it goes. If anyone wants me to test/check/photograph anything just let me know
I was going to order a3ltr HSE Lux last week but ran out of time. Can you give me your impressions.Edited by Pintofbest on Wednesday 29th March 13:08
We currently have a D4 HSE Lux which we think is excellent and with only 22k on the clock I'm not sure if we should change right now.
Also, after checking a couple out and not even considering the 2ltr version, I've been told that this new engine is great. Any comments would be very welcome.
The offset back end treatment actually looks OK on the Vision concept. I saw it in the metal at Gaydon a year or two ago.
Somehow it hasn't translated well into production.
New tooling for a new back Dior will be a pretty expensive Excercise I guess.
If it happens soon it'll be a shame for people with early cars.
The car is growing on me. I've had a snuff around 3 or 4 now while at my dealer and it's a great bit of kit.
Somehow it hasn't translated well into production.
New tooling for a new back Dior will be a pretty expensive Excercise I guess.
If it happens soon it'll be a shame for people with early cars.
The car is growing on me. I've had a snuff around 3 or 4 now while at my dealer and it's a great bit of kit.
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