Range rovers being stolen

Range rovers being stolen

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marky1

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1,046 posts

196 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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I have a new discovery sport on order. Been doing a bit of reading and noticed loads of Range Rover sports and evoques are/were being stolen without the keys being taken i.e. Somehow the key is being cloned. Does anyone know has this issue been solved and if so what they had to do? Don't really want to have a new car nicked straight away. Thanks.

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Disklok....

No, I'm not joking.

marky1

Original Poster:

1,046 posts

196 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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So they still have the same issue?

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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The issue seems to be with keyless / start button cars.

A guy in our office was told his Disco Sport wasn't insured for theft overnight if the disklok wasn't on.

marky1

Original Poster:

1,046 posts

196 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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So if I didn't order keyless go would I be okay or can they still clone when you push the remote button?

hilly10

7,105 posts

228 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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I have had no problems insuring my Disco 4

kmpowell

2,926 posts

228 months

Monday 7th November 2016
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There are several ways of stealing a keyless car (the main way is to plug a OBD keycoder into the OBD port), but back in the Summer of 2015 JLR recalled 65,000 cars in the UK which had a serious flaw that allowed a car to have it's signal copied and a blank key reprogrammed to match, without even being in the car or have access to any keys. The affected vehicles were as followed:

Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models

Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.

I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.

My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.

Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

225 months

Monday 7th November 2016
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Interesting post, thank you very much.

I've resigned myself to thinking that it is what it is. As long as none of my loved ones are endangered by someone trying to steal the car (break ins/car jacking/etc - all of which can happen even with a disklock), if they put the effort in then they can have it. It will be inconvenient and I would never buy another one, but it's only metal and plastic. After that, I will stick to a Fiat 500. smile

BlackGT3

1,445 posts

210 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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PhantomPH said:
Interesting post, thank you very much.

I've resigned myself to thinking that it is what it is. As long as none of my loved ones are endangered by someone trying to steal the car (break ins/car jacking/etc - all of which can happen even with a disklock), if they put the effort in then they can have it. It will be inconvenient and I would never buy another one, but it's only metal and plastic. After that, I will stick to a Fiat 500. smile
This is a problem for all car manufacturers. The CCTV footage of a BMW being stolen was used by some to prove to their insurance companies that cars can be stolen without keys. A friends wife has a Cayenne. On two occasions, when she has parked her car, a thief nearby intercepted the signal from the key when she locked (though she had) it and stole all of her belongings.

audidoody

8,597 posts

256 months

Monday 28th November 2016
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We keep a steering lock on the Evoque each night.

Not that anyone couldn't remove it in five minutes or so. But it should make them think twice before breaking into the house for the keys that their getaway would be delayed enough for the visible CCTV cameras to get some good footage,

allister

564 posts

147 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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In addition to my 10 year old, 2007 M/Y Range Rover (4.4 Vogue petrol), which I love and drive most days, I also have a 2016 Bentley Mulsanne Speed which has Vodafone Tracking.

If someone does manage to over ride the keyless go system and take the car, I would get a phone call within minutes if the car started moving without the key fob in it. They can track it and will contact the Police. I may be wrong but I also believe in extreme circumstances they can remotely disable the engine.

There's an Installation cost plus about £250 per year subscription, although I think some company's are doing deals - Peace of mind and a more convenient alternative to a stop lock.


13m

26,271 posts

222 months

Wednesday 30th November 2016
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kmpowell said:
There are several ways of stealing a keyless car (the main way is to plug a OBD keycoder into the OBD port), but back in the Summer of 2015 JLR recalled 65,000 cars in the UK which had a serious flaw that allowed a car to have it's signal copied and a blank key reprogrammed to match, without even being in the car or have access to any keys. The affected vehicles were as followed:

Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models

Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.

I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.

My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.

Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
My FFRR was one of the earlier cars stolen using the OBD port method. Land Rover, in their usual slopey-shouldered manner, denied all responsibility. In fact someone senior with a plummy accent from head office called me to tell me that Land Rover didn't have a security problem. At all. Not even a little one. To suggest such a thing was laughable... as Land Rover products all over our county were going walkies.



BlackGT3

1,445 posts

210 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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13m said:
kmpowell said:
There are several ways of stealing a keyless car (the main way is to plug a OBD keycoder into the OBD port), but back in the Summer of 2015 JLR recalled 65,000 cars in the UK which had a serious flaw that allowed a car to have it's signal copied and a blank key reprogrammed to match, without even being in the car or have access to any keys. The affected vehicles were as followed:

Land Rover Evoque 2013+
Freelander 2 2013+
Range Rover Sport 2013+
Range Rover 2013+
Discovery 2013+
Jaguar 2013 + All models

Specific information on the Land Rover response (it made the news on BBC etc) is quite sketchy, but from my own reading I have found that after the hardware (it was hardware rather than software) update, attempting to program extra keys to any of these vehicles after the dealer update has happened, permanently disables the proximity function and the KVM (Keyless Vehicle Module) is rendered useless and must be replaced.

I can't ascertain what happens if an OBD keycoder is plugged into he OBD port, but from what I have read the cars are now limited to a max of two keys, so you physically need to have one of the keys in your hand in order to uncode 1 key to make space for a new key.

My RRS is a MY16, which should have had the recall (although JLR couldn't confirm!), but I still use a Disklok and a few other methods that should deter and/or make it harder to steal.

Nothing above is confirmed or conclusive, just what I garnered from reading various reports etc
My FFRR was one of the earlier cars stolen using the OBD port method. Land Rover, in their usual slopey-shouldered manner, denied all responsibility. In fact someone senior with a plummy accent from head office called me to tell me that Land Rover didn't have a security problem. At all. Not even a little one. To suggest such a thing was laughable... as Land Rover products all over our county were going walkies.
BMW did exactly the same (as I am sure the other manufacturers did ). They would have been instructed by their Lawyers to clearly deny any liability.

Byreman

1 posts

65 months

Thursday 22nd November 2018
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I just saw this post and related this to a video I saw today on YouTube ref LR's and keyless entry. I tried it on my vehicle and it works a treat. Easily Disables keyless entry from the key fob. Hope this helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ItzOmkcCw

audidoody

8,597 posts

256 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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Excellent video. I wonder why Land Rover don't put this 'secret' option in the user manual.

toon10

6,171 posts

157 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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I've got an M135i which is high risk for the thieves. I've been advised to get those pouches from Amazon to keep my keys in. They block the signal the thieves use.

Something like... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Blocker-Blocking-Faraday-...

Reeso

1,199 posts

251 months

Friday 23rd November 2018
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We use the pouches....works perfectly.
DON'T FORGET to protect any spare keys lying around the house too. Just because you don't use them, doesn't mean the thieves wont!!!

Cheers