Is now a good time to buy a L322?
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BLUETHUNDER said:
Another typical example of how the bottom has fell out of the market.....
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/606146.htm
But the seller doesnt know it has SAT NAV. The most important extra on a RRhttp://www.pistonheads.com/sales/606146.htm
Simond001 said:
BLUETHUNDER said:
Another typical example of how the bottom has fell out of the market.....
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/606146.htm
But the seller doesnt know it has SAT NAV. The most important extra on a RRhttp://www.pistonheads.com/sales/606146.htm
Trommel said:
Are there? Not according to the dealer (pre-touchscreen).
Anyway, it's still rubbish.
Dealers.... pah!Anyway, it's still rubbish.
The pre-touchscreen unit is the BMW CD-driven one, same as you'll find in E39 / E46 and so on Panzerwagens. Plenty of updated map discs out there.
Agree with you entirely though - I had that system on my old M5 and hated it with a passion, so when I went looking for my L322, I deliberatly hunted for a facelifted one with the touchscreen!
Really starting to warm to the idea of 'changing' our old Disco for one of these. Dilemma is the fuel (Obviously - Doh!) and starting to research an LPG conversion. It sounds like some have done one for dual fuel and very happy. Not too concerned about overall running costs - service etc - but it pains me to pump £110+ into a tank for 230 or so miles! Especially as that is a round commute with a trip into the office...
Not sure how some seem to view LPG conversions on these but surely they can't drop much more in price? Or do the 'experts' think there is more to come?
ps - I think I secretly want to be talked INTO it!
Not sure how some seem to view LPG conversions on these but surely they can't drop much more in price? Or do the 'experts' think there is more to come?
ps - I think I secretly want to be talked INTO it!
Slaav said:
Really starting to warm to the idea of 'changing' our old Disco for one of these. Dilemma is the fuel (Obviously - Doh!) and starting to research an LPG conversion. It sounds like some have done one for dual fuel and very happy. Not too concerned about overall running costs - service etc - but it pains me to pump £110+ into a tank for 230 or so miles! Especially as that is a round commute with a trip into the office...
Not sure how some seem to view LPG conversions on these but surely they can't drop much more in price? Or do the 'experts' think there is more to come?
ps - I think I secretly want to be talked INTO it!
Really, it's not that bad!! From the time you will realistically fill up, it is less than £100 (only a few pence less, mind!) & you will close to 400 miles to thatNot sure how some seem to view LPG conversions on these but surely they can't drop much more in price? Or do the 'experts' think there is more to come?
ps - I think I secretly want to be talked INTO it!
Edited by schmalex on Sunday 20th July 20:14
schmalex said:
Slaav said:
Really starting to warm to the idea of 'changing' our old Disco for one of these. Dilemma is the fuel (Obviously - Doh!) and starting to research an LPG conversion. It sounds like some have done one for dual fuel and very happy. Not too concerned about overall running costs - service etc - but it pains me to pump £110+ into a tank for 230 or so miles! Especially as that is a round commute with a trip into the office...
Not sure how some seem to view LPG conversions on these but surely they can't drop much more in price? Or do the 'experts' think there is more to come?
Really, it's not that bad!! From the time you will realistically fill up, it is less than £100 (only a few pence less, mind!) & you will close to 400 miles to that
ps - I think I secretly want to be talked INTO it!
Not sure how some seem to view LPG conversions on these but surely they can't drop much more in price? Or do the 'experts' think there is more to come?
Really, it's not that bad!! From the time you will realistically fill up, it is less than £100 (only a few pence less, mind!) & you will close to 400 miles to that
ps - I think I secretly want to be talked INTO it!
Cheers for any input as been surfing for LPG stats etc and starting to get a bit confused!
Plenty of threads about LPG conversions at the moment. Have a Google and research whether it's worth it based on the mileage you do. Ballpark figure for a decent conversion is £2k. On a V8, it will pay for itself in a little over a year relative to unleaded if you do around 1000 miles per month.
JW911 said:
Plenty of threads about LPG conversions at the moment. Have a Google and research whether it's worth it based on the mileage you do. Ballpark figure for a decent conversion is £2k. On a V8, it will pay for itself in a little over a year relative to unleaded if you do around 1000 miles per month.
Without flogging this point to a stand still, surely the decisions are a little more tricky?The way I am looking at it, I 'want' the V8 with the performance and all round lazy useability they bring. We are used to the Tdi so really have no performance whatsoever at the moment unless we are scrabbling out of mud (which does happen).
There is obviously no doubt (again) that there is a considerable saving over the V8 but we would be comparing it to a TDV6/8 (depending) and the maths are a little more complicated. The basic maths should be straightforward but I am worried that the performance you get (and TBH would use) with the V8 would possibly negate a lot of the savings over the LPG when compared to a TDV8?
Trying to find some 'accurate' combined cycle fuel figs that are not RR sponsored or published and will try and do the maths. Need to get accurate figs for a LPG conversion of a big relatively modern V8 though and that is proving slightly tricky.
So to summarise, we seem to be considering a L322 TDV8 vs a balls out V8 with LPG! Would not consider running the L322 in standard supercharged V8 as would just want to kill Gordon Brown every 4/5 days! (I keep it to once a week ish at the moment...)
Anyway, anyone got first hand experience of the fuel figs for the LPG monster? (and can you LPG a supercharged V8?
)I run a P38 RR 4.6 Petrol with LPG conversion. The conversion was done by a professional and reputable company. I guess the experience will be similar with the latest models.
LPG doesn't decrease fuel consumption, what it does is decrease the wallet drain. If anything there is a little less mpg on LPG than on petrol but it is negligible in the RR for me. From empty, my LPG tank holds an actual 74 litres (the tank is 95 litre capacity but they are set to leave expansion room). This costs me from a garage forecourt near where I live £40 to fill (at 54.9p/l) but you can buy LPG from some bottled gas suppliers (I can get it at 50p/l from some) meaning a tank can cost as little as £37. For that I get on average 200 miles. Compared to petrol, the same 200 miles would cost £87 at £1.18/l), in other words LPG is putting the fuel costs per mile at 46% that of petrol.
It means that for me (averaging 12.2 mpg) it is the same as a normal petrol car doing 26.7 mpg. My driving is almost all town and rush hour driving. Or to put it another way about the same as my previous 2.0L Chrysler Neon.
Chrysler Neon or Range Rover for the same £/mile - Hmmm.....
However, with the RR I still use a little petrol because the engine starts on petrol and switches automatically to gas after a mile or so as the engine needs to warm a bit first. You can start on LPG but the manual recommends that this is for emergency only (although I have heard of some who do it all the time). If I fill the petrol tank, I get on average 3,500 miles before the low fuel warning light comes on.
The LPG system requires an separate service to that of the main engine servicing, but it does not cause any issues with the latter. I use a land rover specialist for my servicing work but I have heard that some dealers will also service converted cars, although it is recommended checking with them first if you are thinking of buying a RR care pack.
I hope this answers some of your questions, really get a conversion (with warranty) from a proper conversion specialist and enjoy luxury motoring for a fraction of the price.
LPG doesn't decrease fuel consumption, what it does is decrease the wallet drain. If anything there is a little less mpg on LPG than on petrol but it is negligible in the RR for me. From empty, my LPG tank holds an actual 74 litres (the tank is 95 litre capacity but they are set to leave expansion room). This costs me from a garage forecourt near where I live £40 to fill (at 54.9p/l) but you can buy LPG from some bottled gas suppliers (I can get it at 50p/l from some) meaning a tank can cost as little as £37. For that I get on average 200 miles. Compared to petrol, the same 200 miles would cost £87 at £1.18/l), in other words LPG is putting the fuel costs per mile at 46% that of petrol.
It means that for me (averaging 12.2 mpg) it is the same as a normal petrol car doing 26.7 mpg. My driving is almost all town and rush hour driving. Or to put it another way about the same as my previous 2.0L Chrysler Neon.
Chrysler Neon or Range Rover for the same £/mile - Hmmm.....
However, with the RR I still use a little petrol because the engine starts on petrol and switches automatically to gas after a mile or so as the engine needs to warm a bit first. You can start on LPG but the manual recommends that this is for emergency only (although I have heard of some who do it all the time). If I fill the petrol tank, I get on average 3,500 miles before the low fuel warning light comes on.
The LPG system requires an separate service to that of the main engine servicing, but it does not cause any issues with the latter. I use a land rover specialist for my servicing work but I have heard that some dealers will also service converted cars, although it is recommended checking with them first if you are thinking of buying a RR care pack.
I hope this answers some of your questions, really get a conversion (with warranty) from a proper conversion specialist and enjoy luxury motoring for a fraction of the price.
ingrowtn said:
I run a P38 RR 4.6 Petrol with LPG conversion. The conversion was done by a professional and reputable company. I guess the experience will be similar with the latest models.
LPG doesn't decrease fuel consumption, what it does is decrease the wallet drain. If anything there is a little less mpg on LPG than on petrol but it is negligible in the RR for me. From empty, my LPG tank holds an actual 74 litres (the tank is 95 litre capacity but they are set to leave expansion room). This costs me from a garage forecourt near where I live £40 to fill (at 54.9p/l) but you can buy LPG from some bottled gas suppliers (I can get it at 50p/l from some) meaning a tank can cost as little as £37. For that I get on average 200 miles. Compared to petrol, the same 200 miles would cost £87 at £1.18/l), in other words LPG is putting the fuel costs per mile at 46% that of petrol.
It means that for me (averaging 12.2 mpg) it is the same as a normal petrol car doing 26.7 mpg. My driving is almost all town and rush hour driving. Or to put it another way about the same as my previous 2.0L Chrysler Neon.
Chrysler Neon or Range Rover for the same £/mile - Hmmm.....
However, with the RR I still use a little petrol because the engine starts on petrol and switches automatically to gas after a mile or so as the engine needs to warm a bit first. You can start on LPG but the manual recommends that this is for emergency only (although I have heard of some who do it all the time). If I fill the petrol tank, I get on average 3,500 miles before the low fuel warning light comes on.
The LPG system requires an separate service to that of the main engine servicing, but it does not cause any issues with the latter. I use a land rover specialist for my servicing work but I have heard that some dealers will also service converted cars, although it is recommended checking with them first if you are thinking of buying a RR care pack.
I hope this answers some of your questions, really get a conversion (with warranty) from a proper conversion specialist and enjoy luxury motoring for a fraction of the price.
I can concur with all of this.LPG doesn't decrease fuel consumption, what it does is decrease the wallet drain. If anything there is a little less mpg on LPG than on petrol but it is negligible in the RR for me. From empty, my LPG tank holds an actual 74 litres (the tank is 95 litre capacity but they are set to leave expansion room). This costs me from a garage forecourt near where I live £40 to fill (at 54.9p/l) but you can buy LPG from some bottled gas suppliers (I can get it at 50p/l from some) meaning a tank can cost as little as £37. For that I get on average 200 miles. Compared to petrol, the same 200 miles would cost £87 at £1.18/l), in other words LPG is putting the fuel costs per mile at 46% that of petrol.
It means that for me (averaging 12.2 mpg) it is the same as a normal petrol car doing 26.7 mpg. My driving is almost all town and rush hour driving. Or to put it another way about the same as my previous 2.0L Chrysler Neon.
Chrysler Neon or Range Rover for the same £/mile - Hmmm.....
However, with the RR I still use a little petrol because the engine starts on petrol and switches automatically to gas after a mile or so as the engine needs to warm a bit first. You can start on LPG but the manual recommends that this is for emergency only (although I have heard of some who do it all the time). If I fill the petrol tank, I get on average 3,500 miles before the low fuel warning light comes on.
The LPG system requires an separate service to that of the main engine servicing, but it does not cause any issues with the latter. I use a land rover specialist for my servicing work but I have heard that some dealers will also service converted cars, although it is recommended checking with them first if you are thinking of buying a RR care pack.
I hope this answers some of your questions, really get a conversion (with warranty) from a proper conversion specialist and enjoy luxury motoring for a fraction of the price.
Since my LPG conversion, I have clocked up 1500 miles in my 4.6 P38
Petrol gauge has fallen by about half a notch in that time (using petrol to start, and one time when I ran out of gas about 20 miles from home and my nearest LPG station)
No difference in performance at all - just more frequent fill-ups.
I have a 95 litre tank in the wheel well (75 litres useable) and average around 230-250 on a full tank and sensible driving (Not Miss Daisy, but not thrashing about)
Although I travelled to Windsor yesterday for a site visit - a 280 mile round trip. I filled up at home before leaving, and was still running on gas when I got home last night.
Plus at my local LPG station (Asda) it is 49.9p a litre...... which is nice.
NST said:
i understand that the 4.4 is rather thirsty, but how thirsty is it? assuming all motorway driving and driving with a view to economy, what is the true mpg? is the Diesel that much better?
I sat in a RR last night (04 plate) it was awesome..
Depends on how you drive it, how sensitive you are to the autobox and what it's doing, and what sort of driving you regularly do. I live out in the sticks, the school run is 20mins worth of 30 / 50 / NSL and includes two 1/3 hills. I also don't tend to hang around, and will overtake most dawdling things given space and opportunity. Trip2 was reset when I bought the car and not touched since, so in the last 18,000 miles I have averaged 19.9mpg. Not too shabby for a 2.5ton portable semi-detatched house.I sat in a RR last night (04 plate) it was awesome..
RedLeicester said:
Depends on how you drive it, how sensitive you are to the autobox and what it's doing, and what sort of driving you regularly do. I live out in the sticks, the school run is 20mins worth of 30 / 50 / NSL and includes two 1/3 hills. I also don't tend to hang around, and will overtake most dawdling things given space and opportunity. Trip2 was reset when I bought the car and not touched since, so in the last 18,000 miles I have averaged 19.9mpg. Not too shabby for a 2.5ton portable semi-detatched house.
i was impressed with the huge boot and comfortable seats, loved the interior. the Disco 3 is probably a better car, just it doesn't look as nice as the Range.so low 20s on a motorway run. i have no idea why i'm attracted to the Big Range i shouldn't be with the current fuel costs! just that the value for money they look like an awesome buy!
how much is the serving? (inspection 1 - 2?), how long do the tyres last? are the brakes need of replacing every 20k?
are they are money pit?!
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