SHOULD I BUY A FREELANDER
Poll: SHOULD I BUY A FREELANDER
Total Members Polled: 67
Discussion
Moosh said:
It's called a Demonstrator, and they all have them. Usually they try and keep them for themselves to drive 
But they are provided by the manufacture just for the purpose of demonstrating the car to the customer.
So, were you planning for the salesperson to spend the weekend at your house demonstrating the car to you, then? But they are provided by the manufacture just for the purpose of demonstrating the car to the customer.
In what possible interpretation of the word demonstrating are you left to your own devices to use pot luck to discover how all the features work? If you go to an exhibition and someone is demonstrating the new Carlos Fandango, never blunt, extraordinary knife-cum-potato peeler, do they just hand one to you with a load of fruit and veg and say "there you go, son - see if you can break the record for the time taken to lose a finger"?
Sorry to get on the defensive, but the next thread will be about how dealers rip us all off with their massive profit margins, yet they are expected to provide free cars every weekend for every Tom, Dick or Harry that says they might be interested in a new car (but in actual fact all they want is a nice shiny new car for their mate's wedding - I know, I've cleaned out the confetti when it's returned on a Monday morning!)
I'm not saying you are not a serious prospect, but I don't think it is realistic or particularly respectful to expect a free hire car for the weekend and then moan about the dealer's customer care when you don't get it... FYI, it would cost you about £200 to hire a Freelander for a weekend and that's because the hire company needs to earn £50 out of it to make it worthwhile: So you think the dealer should give you £150 out of their profit margin to help you decide whether you want a car or not? If you reckon the dealer will sell one car to every three people that have a weekend test drive, that's £450 cost to sell each Freelander!
So, when you come to buy the car, are you happy to pay £450 more to cover that?
Moosh said:
Mmmm, I thought the Topic was "SHOULD I BUY A FREELANDER" Not how to be a 
to some one who just wants advice 
Like you have been a to some one who just wants advice to the dealerships involved, do you mean?Until you started whinging about the dealer's attitude just because they wouldn't honour a totally unreasonable request, most of us gave you that advice that you asked for - an overwhelming majority in favour of the Freelander, in fact. You then had a demonstration drive and still you think you should have a free car for the weekend? What were you expecting to discover about the car over the weekend that you either hadn't heard on here and during the demo? If you can't make your mind up, and want to avoid an expensive mistake, just put your money where your mouth is and hire a car for a weekend - don't expect it for nothing.
Are you like this with everything you buy? Did you have a poll on here and then ask to take your TV home for the weekend before you decided to buy it? Or your kitchen appliances? and did you 'test-drive' your house before you bought it? (Reckon a house would have to be at least a fortnight, if a car requires a weekend
)kVA said:
Moosh said:
Mmmm, I thought the Topic was "SHOULD I BUY A FREELANDER" Not how to be a to some one who just wants advice
Like you have been a to some one who just wants advice to the dealerships involved, do you mean?Until you started whinging about the dealer's attitude just because they wouldn't honour a totally unreasonable request, most of us gave you that advice that you asked for - an overwhelming majority in favour of the Freelander, in fact. You then had a demonstration drive and still you think you should have a free car for the weekend? What were you expecting to discover about the car over the weekend that you either hadn't heard on here and during the demo? If you can't make your mind up, and want to avoid an expensive mistake, just put your money where your mouth is and hire a car for a weekend - don't expect it for nothing.
Are you like this with everything you buy? Did you have a poll on here and then ask to take your TV home for the weekend before you decided to buy it? Or your kitchen appliances? and did you 'test-drive' your house before you bought it? (Reckon a house would have to be at least a fortnight, if a car requires a weekend
)Moosh said:
Err do I know you? Seems all you want is a slagging match. Go back to your hole!
I sincerely hope not... and no, I don't want a slanging match, but I am proud to say that I am a professional in the 'Motor Trade' and I get sick of people like you expecting to be able to abuse and criticise people for doing their job properly, just because they happen to be in an industry you clearly despise. No other industry that I can think of would allow you to take their products away for a weekend without payment or commitment and then just hand it back and say you've changed your mind after you've used (and possibly abused) it: As I have said before, you would not believe how many people say they are thinking of buying a nice car and then mysteriously changed their mind when they return it full of confetti (or worse) after the weekend!
I realise that many dealers do make exceptions and facilitate longer test-drives than normal as a special favour to people that they believe will become long-term loyal customers of value to them, but to complain because you don't get this exceptional treatment just make you look an arse, IMO - especially as you are looking at the cheapest car they sell (and judging by your behaviour so far will probably expect a massive discount as well).
If the dealer concerned is reading this, I suspect they are now thinking they got off lightly by not doing the bowing and scraping that you seem to expect from them.
just out of interest, what was the response of Customer Services?...
Feck me... Just realised you are not even thinking of buying a new car!
I presume you don't run a business yourself, if that's how you think it works?
Moosh said:
£30K would be okay, but may look for a nearly new to take out some of the depreciation
So you think the manufacturer should provide new cars to the dealer, so that you can borrow one for a weekend for free, stick a couple of hundred miles worth of depreciation on it and then buy a used car from somewhere else (probably not even a Land Rover dealer)... I presume you don't run a business yourself, if that's how you think it works?
Not read all the bhin (YET!) but on the "should i buy a freelander?" question..
I bought a new HSE auto model, so comes with all goodies exactly 1yr ago. Cost 28K (good discounts at that time, dont know now).
Compared it to a BMW X3, Audi Q5 and Jeep cherokee.(and strangely suzuki Grand Vitara)
Only one that came close was Q5 but to spec the same as the F'Lander would've cost another 5k and quite frankly it was not as good.
Not great on fuel at bit under 30mpg ,mainly short runs tho! Have had 37mpg on longer journeys.
Outside the engine sounds like a diesel, inside hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder.
Room for G Shepherd and Westie in the back,
After a year it has no faults to report and i am v impressed.
D.
hin (YET!) but on the "should i buy a freelander?" question.. I bought a new HSE auto model, so comes with all goodies exactly 1yr ago. Cost 28K (good discounts at that time, dont know now).
Compared it to a BMW X3, Audi Q5 and Jeep cherokee.(and strangely suzuki Grand Vitara)
Only one that came close was Q5 but to spec the same as the F'Lander would've cost another 5k and quite frankly it was not as good.
Not great on fuel at bit under 30mpg ,mainly short runs tho! Have had 37mpg on longer journeys.
Outside the engine sounds like a diesel, inside hard to believe its only a 4 cylinder.
Room for G Shepherd and Westie in the back,
After a year it has no faults to report and i am v impressed.
D.
Hi all,
Had about 30 cars over the years - last car was an SD4 HSE Freelander, had severe rear axle problems which was repaired under warranty. After repair car was just as noisy. Was told to stop thinking about it and to turn radio up! They refused to have another look at it as it had been repaired as per instructions.
I tow a caravan, since my holidays are in Europe was not prepared to take a chance on travelling 700 miles to destination with a noisy rear axle. Result Land Rover have now lost a customer who was a repeat customer.
Now have a Volvo XC70 AWD Lux. This car has better safety, specification and build quality. It was superb and the seats far superior to the FL2. Even open it up on e autobahn in Germany, accelerated too 125 mph and would have done more, it was rock steady at this speed so says my better half. The FL2 would not be able to get anywhere close to the XC70 on the normal road, for towing my heavy van and the bonus being it has a large boot and returned better mpg
The volvo is a D5 with 215 hp.
LR really need to change attitude to how they deal with customers - my advice go and try an XC70 for a couple of hours with your wife and kids, oh and the dogs in the boot. They will love you for it. So smooth.
Had about 30 cars over the years - last car was an SD4 HSE Freelander, had severe rear axle problems which was repaired under warranty. After repair car was just as noisy. Was told to stop thinking about it and to turn radio up! They refused to have another look at it as it had been repaired as per instructions.
I tow a caravan, since my holidays are in Europe was not prepared to take a chance on travelling 700 miles to destination with a noisy rear axle. Result Land Rover have now lost a customer who was a repeat customer.
Now have a Volvo XC70 AWD Lux. This car has better safety, specification and build quality. It was superb and the seats far superior to the FL2. Even open it up on e autobahn in Germany, accelerated too 125 mph and would have done more, it was rock steady at this speed so says my better half. The FL2 would not be able to get anywhere close to the XC70 on the normal road, for towing my heavy van and the bonus being it has a large boot and returned better mpg
The volvo is a D5 with 215 hp.
LR really need to change attitude to how they deal with customers - my advice go and try an XC70 for a couple of hours with your wife and kids, oh and the dogs in the boot. They will love you for it. So smooth.
PabloAWD said:
my advice go and try an XC70 for a couple of hours with your wife and kids, oh and the dogs in the boot. They will love you for it. So smooth.
I've just asked my wife and dog if they want to go looking at changing the FL2 for an XC70 tomorrow, the dog bit me and the wife says she'll divorce me on Monday.I guess style, taste, off road ability and brand image trump reliability
Hey Yellowtines,
If you prefer the LR2 I think it is best if your wife divorces you and you need to change your pets - you cannot swing a cat in the boot of LR2.
I spent a lot of money on the HSE SD4 (34k +) last thing I need is a silly salesman's ridiculous comments. I do not drive up Ben Nevis and never really took the car of road, bought it to tow a caravan!
That said, I have owned a couple of LRs and now have an XC70 and since I have owned both can pass reliable and honest opinions against either.
Like I said, the XC70 is better on the open road, is more comfortable and is better built. And the added bonus is more fuel efficient either towing or solo.
If you have owned both then you would have a more credible opinion. Me I was offering a true reflection to the OP who set the question!
125mph on the autobahn, and not at full stretch - the SD4 would not even reach 120mph, besides it would break down trying it!
Enjoy your divorce!
If you prefer the LR2 I think it is best if your wife divorces you and you need to change your pets - you cannot swing a cat in the boot of LR2.
I spent a lot of money on the HSE SD4 (34k +) last thing I need is a silly salesman's ridiculous comments. I do not drive up Ben Nevis and never really took the car of road, bought it to tow a caravan!
That said, I have owned a couple of LRs and now have an XC70 and since I have owned both can pass reliable and honest opinions against either.
Like I said, the XC70 is better on the open road, is more comfortable and is better built. And the added bonus is more fuel efficient either towing or solo.
If you have owned both then you would have a more credible opinion. Me I was offering a true reflection to the OP who set the question!
125mph on the autobahn, and not at full stretch - the SD4 would not even reach 120mph, besides it would break down trying it!
Enjoy your divorce!
PabloAWD said:
If you have owned both then you would have a more credible opinion. Me I was offering a true reflection to the OP who set the question!
125mph on the autobahn, and not at full stretch - the SD4 would not even reach 120mph, besides it would break down trying it!
Sorry, I didnt mean to sound disrespectful of your opinion, I was merely joking as you were answering the OP despite the thread being started and him asking his question 4 1/2 years ago.125mph on the autobahn, and not at full stretch - the SD4 would not even reach 120mph, besides it would break down trying it!
If he is still waiting for an answer he will be very old with a big grey beard...in which case I agree a Volvo would suit perfectly.
I cant see the XC70 and the FL2 as competition. The Volvo sheds value quicker than the Zimbabwean Dollar and is just a bargain barge waiting to happen.
The XC90 makes more sense but from the experience of friends who have them can generate huge repair bills and cost more in tyres and fuel than the Freelander.
The XC90 makes more sense but from the experience of friends who have them can generate huge repair bills and cost more in tyres and fuel than the Freelander.
Wow!
Some very sensitive FL2 owners on this forum!
I did not say that they FL2 was not good at what it did. I actually enjoyed my HSE Sd4 that cost over 34k and it towed my heavy German van very well. What I implied was that the customer service could be far better than it was and is, and that perhaps they could go some way to solve the problematic rear axle problem that seems to have affected many, many other FL2 owners - have a look at other forums.
It happened to me and they refused to resolve an even bigger noise than it had before they tinkered with it!
The XC70 is indeed AWD, that is why it offers better mpg especially when towing my big. German van. The Volvo is far superior to the FL2 in build quality, performance, safety, and indeed comfort - the FL2 cannot get anywhere near it. The load capacity is ridiculously greater and everyone who has been in the Xc70 agrees with my opinion.
Sure the FL2 will be better off road, but not many people in all reality go off road - the cars had/have been bought as tow cars and with that in mind the XC70 trumps the FL2 for the couple of weeks it is required to do so for the other 50 weeks on the normal road it really is way ahead of the FL2.
Had he FL2 doing 100 mph once and it was becoming unstable, had the Volvo at 125 mph and it was rock solid.
The Volvo has 5 safety cameras, BLIS, pedestrian safety camera, Cyclist camera and adaptive cruise. It is classed as the safest car on the market so please get over it!
The previous post stated the depreciation, yes they do depreciate however, I got a fantastic sum of the original price over 10k - try getting that amount of a LR2. Oh, and by the way they do not hold their price as much as you think! I should know.
Happy motoring
Some very sensitive FL2 owners on this forum!
I did not say that they FL2 was not good at what it did. I actually enjoyed my HSE Sd4 that cost over 34k and it towed my heavy German van very well. What I implied was that the customer service could be far better than it was and is, and that perhaps they could go some way to solve the problematic rear axle problem that seems to have affected many, many other FL2 owners - have a look at other forums.
It happened to me and they refused to resolve an even bigger noise than it had before they tinkered with it!
The XC70 is indeed AWD, that is why it offers better mpg especially when towing my big. German van. The Volvo is far superior to the FL2 in build quality, performance, safety, and indeed comfort - the FL2 cannot get anywhere near it. The load capacity is ridiculously greater and everyone who has been in the Xc70 agrees with my opinion.
Sure the FL2 will be better off road, but not many people in all reality go off road - the cars had/have been bought as tow cars and with that in mind the XC70 trumps the FL2 for the couple of weeks it is required to do so for the other 50 weeks on the normal road it really is way ahead of the FL2.
Had he FL2 doing 100 mph once and it was becoming unstable, had the Volvo at 125 mph and it was rock solid.
The Volvo has 5 safety cameras, BLIS, pedestrian safety camera, Cyclist camera and adaptive cruise. It is classed as the safest car on the market so please get over it!
The previous post stated the depreciation, yes they do depreciate however, I got a fantastic sum of the original price over 10k - try getting that amount of a LR2. Oh, and by the way they do not hold their price as much as you think! I should know.
Happy motoring
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