Company changing pay structure

[dave0010]

Am I within my rights when the company plan to bring in a pay change to ask to view the following.

What our estimated monthly pay will be?
break down of bonus figures detailed so you can see exactly what earns what bonus and how much?
Do you have to except a change in pay or because its a change in your contract of employment can you choose to stay as is?

[mph1977]

Does the bonus form part of the contract or is the terms and conditions of the bonus scheme extra contractual

[dave0010]

Its part of the original contract but is currently not detailed to give an exact £per job. So you don't know till the end of the week how much if you have earned.

[mph1977]

so the contract says 'there is a bonus structure' ?

but it does not specify the bonus structure and it's implementation and delivery ?

IANAL but i would suspect that if this is the case it;s not a change to the contract to change the exact operation of the scheme.

[dave0010]

When I first starting working there It was explained that a set weekly number of jobs was the target. Then anything after that you earn bonus depending on the type of job it was. It didn't how ever detail what type of job equated to how much bonus. It was something I further questioned or asked for clarity when I started working there as I was just happy for the job at the time.

[mph1977]

dave0010 said:

When I first starting working there It was explained that a set weekly number of jobs was the target. Then anything after that you earn bonus depending on the type of job it was. It didn't how ever detail what type of job equated to how much bonus. It was something I further questioned or asked for clarity when I started working there as I was just happy for the job at the time.

It must be written down somewhere ... the place i currently work in has a copy of the rules for it's (recently removed due to costs of adminstration, widespread fiddling and general not fit for purposeness) 'performance' pinned up in the corridor ...

The rules aren't in the contracts or the employee handbooks - the employee handbook mentions the existence of a performance / bonus scheme but says the details are published seperately ...

[98elise]

dave0010 said:

Am I within my rights when the company plan to bring in a pay change to ask to view the following.

What our estimated monthly pay will be?
break down of bonus figures detailed so you can see exactly what earns what bonus and how much?
Do you have to except a change in pay or because its a change in your contract of employment can you choose to stay as is?

From my experience they can change the contract at will, unless its a badly written contract. The company originally employed you by offering you certain terms, you accepted those terms. They are now offering you different terms, and you can choose to accept those going forward, or leave (ie they haven't agreed to stick to the original terms for ever).

If the terms are significantly different though, then there could be a case for constructive dismissal. Be warned though, if you work under the new conditions for a certain period, then you have accepted the new terms implicitly.

Thats just my experience from the same side of the fence as you. Mine wasn't financial, but was an effective demotion through a restructure (i would have been working on the team I was originally the manager of).

In my case I called their bluff, and elected to leave. They agreed to keep me in the same position.

[Terminator X]

I'd be minded to just not accept new terms and see what happens albeit ultimateley you may have to suck it up or leave. As others have said though exact bonus terms are not usually explicit in contracts, mine for example mentioned a bonus was payable at managers discretion eg nowt about how it was calculated etc.

TX.

[dave0010]

For most people within my company the new pay structure will be a good thing. A higher basic for the same amount of work that there already doing. Unfortunately I do work harder than others and more hours due to working rest days. This has always been to hit bonus and earn more money. I'm sure I will just have to except the new pay structure it just means for myself and few other it will come as a pay cut.

[mph1977]

Terminator X said:

I'd be minded to just not accept new terms and see what happens albeit ultimateley you may have to suck it up or leave. As others have said though exact bonus terms are not usually explicit in contracts, mine for example mentioned a bonus was payable at managers discretion eg nowt about how it was calculated etc.

TX.

two outcomes

1. you are deemed to have accepted the new contract by virtue of turning up to work on the first day it applies

2. you are escorted from the premises for frustrating your contract

[Terminator X]

mph1977 said:

Terminator X said:

I'd be minded to just not accept new terms and see what happens albeit ultimateley you may have to suck it up or leave. As others have said though exact bonus terms are not usually explicit in contracts, mine for example mentioned a bonus was payable at managers discretion eg nowt about how it was calculated etc.

TX.

two outcomes

1. you are deemed to have accepted the new contract by virtue of turning up to work on the first day it applies

2. you are escorted from the premises for frustrating your contract

You and I agree that I'll pay you £1000 a month to act as my PA. In month 2 I turn round and say I'm changing it to £900 a month albeit you're still doing exactly what you were before. Can I do that? If you disagree I can simply escort you from the building can I?

TX.