Someone has lifted everything from our website...advice
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ChasW said:
I have been told that Google search picks copycat sites and this can affect the rankings of both
It can. Duplication is a big no-no and the copycat should be held back in the rankings because their content isn't unique. The OP should be ok if his site had the content first, though it depends when Google comes along and indexes it.I have seen this situation quite a few times before and it's actually the web designer at fault, as they couldn't be arsed to design/write unique content. Probably not the case here, as the client would have at least questioned testimonials from customers they don't have.
Dick Dastardly said:
It can. Duplication is a big no-no and the copycat should be held back in the rankings because their content isn't unique. The OP should be ok if his site had the content first, though it depends when Google comes along and indexes it.
Yet again, more well meaning but absolutely horrific advice!It has ZERO to do with who gets the content indexed first. Google are generally going to let the version of it hosted on the more authoritative site rank, and relegate the other one. They're not going to care who was indexed first.
"horrific advice"? Calm down, love. It wasn't even advice, it was an opinion.
The first Panda updates penalised a lot of authoritative, established websites as their content wasn't unique. Recent updates have gone a long way to address this but we still see many big brands in trouble until they re-write things.
The first Panda updates penalised a lot of authoritative, established websites as their content wasn't unique. Recent updates have gone a long way to address this but we still see many big brands in trouble until they re-write things.
Dick Dastardly said:
"horrific advice"? Calm down, love. It wasn't even advice, it was an opinion.
The first Panda updates penalised a lot of authoritative, established websites as their content wasn't unique. Recent updates have gone a long way to address this but we still see many big brands in trouble until they re-write things.
Okay, opinion then. Its still as wrong as could possibly be though The first Panda updates penalised a lot of authoritative, established websites as their content wasn't unique. Recent updates have gone a long way to address this but we still see many big brands in trouble until they re-write things.
If anyone doesn't believe me, there is very simple and quick test you can do to check it before making any decisions based off of it. Register a £5 domain, throw Wordpress on it. Post a couple of random but unique blog posts to it and wait until its indexed. Then repost the exact same content somewhere else that is older and with more built up authority (i.e. Pistonheads). Wait on them both being indexed and then see which ranks, and you have your answer.
jammy_basturd said:
How does that show you how much either domain is being penalised for duplicate content?
It won't. But it will show you that "The OP should be ok if his site had the content first, though it depends when Google comes along and indexes it." is absolutely, 100% wrong and you shouldn't be basing any content decisions on being able to get your content indexed first.
If someone else is stealing your content, you need to rewrite your own, or deal with the root problem.
It won't show you that statement is 100% wrong either because it won't show you which domain is being penalised. We've gone into this before, you can't categorically say something 100% regarding Google because you do not have access to their algorithms.
But that's the last I'll say because this isn't helping the OP's original situation!
But that's the last I'll say because this isn't helping the OP's original situation!
jammy_basturd said:
It won't show you that statement is 100% wrong either because it won't show you which domain is being penalised. We've gone into this before, you can't categorically say something 100% regarding Google because you do not have access to their algorithms.
But that's the last I'll say because this isn't helping the OP's original situation!
Neither will be penalised. One simply won't be ranking. But that's the last I'll say because this isn't helping the OP's original situation!
I can't say something 100% no, but I do this all day long. The other poster is saying you'll be okay if you get it indexed first.... one single test will this to be plainly incorrect. Like the vast majority of seo nonsense spouted in this sub forum
KFC said:
Neither will be penalised. One simply won't be ranking.
I can't say something 100% no, but I do this all day long. The other poster is saying you'll be okay if you get it indexed first.... one single test will this to be plainly incorrect. Like the vast majority of seo nonsense spouted in this sub forum
100% not correct! I can't say something 100% no, but I do this all day long. The other poster is saying you'll be okay if you get it indexed first.... one single test will this to be plainly incorrect. Like the vast majority of seo nonsense spouted in this sub forum
As Google says:
Google said:
In the rare cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users, we'll also make appropriate adjustments in the indexing and ranking of the sites involved. As a result, the ranking of the site may suffer, or the site might be removed entirely from the Google index, in which case it will no longer appear in search results.
So it will either be penalised in the rankings, or won't rank/show up at all.I'd also point out this paragraph from this Kissmetrics blog article:
Kissmetrics said:
Googlebot visits most sites every day. If it finds a copied version of something a week later on another site, it knows where the original appeared. Googlebot doesn’t get angry and penalize. It moves on. That’s pretty much all you need to know.
You're still wrong. Look at your own quote "In the rare cases in which Google perceives that duplicate content may be shown with intent to manipulate our rankings and deceive our users"
Duplicate content can have been done for a legitimate reason, say a blurb from a manufacturer used on the websites of a couple of different retailers. It still doesn't mean they'll both rank though. One will rank, and one likely won't. And that still has nothing to do with who published it first like was claimed earlier in the thread.
Anyway I think thats enough from me on the topic, its starting to feel too much like working for free rather than just giving a quick tip
Duplicate content can have been done for a legitimate reason, say a blurb from a manufacturer used on the websites of a couple of different retailers. It still doesn't mean they'll both rank though. One will rank, and one likely won't. And that still has nothing to do with who published it first like was claimed earlier in the thread.
Anyway I think thats enough from me on the topic, its starting to feel too much like working for free rather than just giving a quick tip
Dick Dastardly said:
ChasW said:
I have been told that Google search picks copycat sites and this can affect the rankings of both
It can. Duplication is a big no-no and the copycat should be held back in the rankings because their content isn't unique. The OP should be ok if his site had the content first, though it depends when Google comes along and indexes it.I have seen this situation quite a few times before and it's actually the web designer at fault, as they couldn't be arsed to design/write unique content. Probably not the case here, as the client would have at least questioned testimonials from customers they don't have.
DSLiverpool said:
I guess the big copying site is big and this copied content amounts to under 30% which I am told is "ok"
As usual an seo thread turns into the blind leading the blind Unsubscribing now, these threads amused me a little to begin with but they're annoying me a little more than they should now so not worth it!As john has said above.
If you are dealing with a big company you need to do things properly. Firing them off a personal email will not achieve this.
I've used and highly recommend Michael Czechyra at Rollingsons in the city. He's a specialist in IP and infringement and constructs letters that work.
If you are dealing with a big company you need to do things properly. Firing them off a personal email will not achieve this.
I've used and highly recommend Michael Czechyra at Rollingsons in the city. He's a specialist in IP and infringement and constructs letters that work.
Are they actually hotlinking images? If so, change them all to animated GIFs of dancing cock and balls until they notice. Then send the letter.
Like this fella did when the Daily Mail were hotlinking one of his images without permission.
https://twitter.com/blackpigsweets/status/30035076...
Like this fella did when the Daily Mail were hotlinking one of his images without permission.
https://twitter.com/blackpigsweets/status/30035076...
durbster said:
Are they actually hotlinking images? If so, change them all to animated GIFs of dancing cock and balls until they notice. Then send the letter.
Like this fella did when the Daily Mail were hotlinking one of his images without permission.
https://twitter.com/blackpigsweets/status/30035076...
Like this fella did when the Daily Mail were hotlinking one of his images without permission.
https://twitter.com/blackpigsweets/status/30035076...
or just put your url on all images.Dont know if it helps the OP but we had an indian company using our content (I knew it was mine as I had written it) and filled a form out on Google. In a matter of days the copycat site disappeared from Google. I guess we have a good 10 years of history which might of helped the cause.
Might help in the OPs case.
Might help in the OPs case.
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