Grade 2 listing ?

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avinalarf

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6,438 posts

142 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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I am thinking about purchasing a commercial property,shop with flats above.
Problem for me is that it is Grade 2 listed.
Has anyone experience of how I might appeal to have the listing removed ?
Any help of to whom I address my appeal etc.welcomed and any personal experiences.

TooLateForAName

4,746 posts

184 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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Can only be delisted by the Secretary of State.

Apply though English Heritage.

Or, more realistically, look elsewhere.

avinalarf

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6,438 posts

142 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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TooLateForAName said:
Can only be delisted by the Secretary of State.

Apply though English Heritage.

Or, more realistically, look elsewhere.
Several years ago I looked into the process and it appeared to be quite complicated and would require the services of a specialist surveyor to act on my behalf,I decided that the costs might be high without any idea of the result,so I left it.
I contacted the local council dept. but they were not that helpful.
I take from your comment that it is a lost cause.
As I do not yet own the property I was reluctant to spend the time and money as I would think it would be quite a long process.
I do not want to buy the property with a listing as added value could only be achieved if the property was redeveloped.

pidsy

7,989 posts

157 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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you wont get the listing removed if you are aiming to redevelop it. listing is in place to stop exactly that.

i run a large G2 listed property and we can make changes within the fabric of the building buy no exterior changes. everything we do must be run past heritage and quite often we have to use one of their approved contractors.

avinalarf

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142 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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pidsy said:
you wont get the listing removed if you are aiming to redevelop it. listing is in place to stop exactly that.

i run a large G2 listed property and we can make changes within the fabric of the building buy no exterior changes. everything we do must be run past heritage and quite often we have to use one of their approved contractors.
As I understand it the listing is on an internal brick wall inside the shop.
The wall is covered at the moment with plywood.
The plan was to redevelop the two flats above as they are in a poor state ,albeit let at the moment.
As I understand it once any part of a building is listed it affects the whole building and approval has to be got before ANY alterations are made to any part of the building.
From what you infer that approval is from English Heritage and not easily obtained and if you have to use their contractors unnecessarily expensive.

TooLateForAName

4,746 posts

184 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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The listing applies to the whole building *and* curtilage (ie surrounding gardens/land).

If you are serious about the development then you could try talking to the council conservation officer and to English Heritage.

pidsy

7,989 posts

157 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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our life was made a little easier as it is now an educaional building. we still have to jump through all the hoops though. our listing also covers the whole site, right up to boundaries and heritage are meant to be consulted on any changes.

edited to add, we have to use their contractors because our walls are Lath and plaster - so any failures (it only has a certain life) need to be replaced with the same etc.

Edited by pidsy on Friday 19th September 15:38

dingg

3,984 posts

219 months

Friday 19th September 2014
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pidsy said:
our life was made a little easier as it is now an educaional building. we still have to jump through all the hoops though. our listing also covers the whole site, right up to boundaries and heritage are meant to be consulted on any changes.

edited to add, we have to use their contractors because our walls are Lath and plaster - so any failures (it only has a certain life) need to be replaced with the same etc.

Edited by pidsy on Friday 19th September 15:38
he he he

the irony is strong in this one

pidsy

7,989 posts

157 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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Care to elaborate?

21TonyK

11,519 posts

209 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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Get your local listed building officer in from the council and pay for pre-application advice. Cost me £100-150? for an hour of his time on site. Explained exactly what he would be happy with and not. Gave us a lot of scope in terms of alterations on a G2* building.