Can a Sandwich Shop Make Decent Money ?
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The sunday habit of bagels is huge in South Liverpool (not Speke but Childwall, woolton, Allerton etc) as I said its rammed from 8am to 1pm with no "single" orders just bulging carrier bags. I now live on the Wirral as do a lot of my old pals from Liverpool, I will have a empty shop in Heswall "soon" which is probably the wealthiest little town outside Chester and Wilmslow (ish) and I think I can make it wash its face. If not the shop can do something else - its not life or death nor is it an essential income.
The shop in Liverpool is run by a Manchester lad who drives in from Manchester every day but admittedly I don't know his hours / days just that sunday is packed and its his only work. Would he do it if it didn't pay? Yes he is in the heart of the quasi jewish area (Jews and none jews with jewish habits) and I would be trying a new area but nothing ventured - I will have time on my hands soon and whilst I don't want to work in a shop I can oversee it correctly whilst looking for something new and interesting longer term.
The shop in Liverpool is run by a Manchester lad who drives in from Manchester every day but admittedly I don't know his hours / days just that sunday is packed and its his only work. Would he do it if it didn't pay? Yes he is in the heart of the quasi jewish area (Jews and none jews with jewish habits) and I would be trying a new area but nothing ventured - I will have time on my hands soon and whilst I don't want to work in a shop I can oversee it correctly whilst looking for something new and interesting longer term.
GT03ROB said:
I just don't know what this Sunday "social habit" is. I know nobody that does it. And can;t think why on a sunday morning I'd drive to a bagel shop. Sunday mornings are slow & easy at home. If you are running a sandwich shop based on weekend/Sunday mornings, it won;t work.
Depends where you live, but in most of London/suburbs cafe's (nice ones) are rammed with people that do just this on Sunday (and saturday tbh).okgo said:
GT03ROB said:
I just don't know what this Sunday "social habit" is. I know nobody that does it. And can;t think why on a sunday morning I'd drive to a bagel shop. Sunday mornings are slow & easy at home. If you are running a sandwich shop based on weekend/Sunday mornings, it won;t work.
Depends where you live, but in most of London/suburbs cafe's (nice ones) are rammed with people that do just this on Sunday (and saturday tbh).Dogbash said:
Just thought I'd add to this topic.
Local to where I live there is a butchers down a high street. They started doing carvery baguettes around 10 years ago to boost their business. You can have a baguette in small or large and the fillings you can choose from are roast beef, pork, turkey, chicken, sausages, bacon and you can have stuffing, apple sauce, cranberry, mayonnaise. Basically any combo you like.
They charge £2.50 for a small one and £3.00 for a large. People literally cue out of the door. This despite the fact there is a subway in the shop next door. Its fairly close to a college and all the students walk down there during their lunch hours. I have no idea how many they sell on a busy day but it must be a few hundred, especially on a Saturday which seems to be the busiest day. Put it this way, they have 2 people serving, each I'd estimate can produce a roll in around a minute. That's 120 rolls an hour and they have a good 2 hours each day where people are cueing out of the door.
Might be an idea? People love a carvery, seems even more so when its in a baguette!
Cheers
You don't live near Gorleston do you? Sounds like the butcher's down our high street. It is rammed at dinner times.Local to where I live there is a butchers down a high street. They started doing carvery baguettes around 10 years ago to boost their business. You can have a baguette in small or large and the fillings you can choose from are roast beef, pork, turkey, chicken, sausages, bacon and you can have stuffing, apple sauce, cranberry, mayonnaise. Basically any combo you like.
They charge £2.50 for a small one and £3.00 for a large. People literally cue out of the door. This despite the fact there is a subway in the shop next door. Its fairly close to a college and all the students walk down there during their lunch hours. I have no idea how many they sell on a busy day but it must be a few hundred, especially on a Saturday which seems to be the busiest day. Put it this way, they have 2 people serving, each I'd estimate can produce a roll in around a minute. That's 120 rolls an hour and they have a good 2 hours each day where people are cueing out of the door.
Might be an idea? People love a carvery, seems even more so when its in a baguette!
Cheers
On the Bagel front, these were going down a treat in Denver earlier this year, the business appears to be popular and growing
http://www.einsteinbros.com/
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I'm getting the impression that the OP sees this as an interesting experiment and one in which it won't matter too much if it doesn't work out. That's an excellent basis on which to start a business and a path which I am following myself at the moment.
In the OP's case it's bagels which are something he is fond of, another plus point in choosing a business, and in mine it's guitars, something I am very partial to.
In both cases not actually needing to make a living wage is a great help.
In the OP's case it's bagels which are something he is fond of, another plus point in choosing a business, and in mine it's guitars, something I am very partial to.
In both cases not actually needing to make a living wage is a great help.
singlecoil said:
I'm getting the impression that the OP sees this as an interesting experiment and one in which it won't matter too much if it doesn't work out. That's an excellent basis on which to start a business and a path which I am following myself at the moment.
In the OP's case it's bagels which are something he is fond of, another plus point in choosing a business, and in mine it's guitars, something I am very partial to.
In both cases not actually needing to make a living wage is a great help.
Correct on all counts, the last "try it for a laugh" business was a remote controlled ladies fingers where you could pleasure your partner from a distance, not as lucrative as I hoped.In the OP's case it's bagels which are something he is fond of, another plus point in choosing a business, and in mine it's guitars, something I am very partial to.
In both cases not actually needing to make a living wage is a great help.
singlecoil said:
I'm getting the impression that the OP sees this as an interesting experiment and one in which it won't matter too much if it doesn't work out. That's an excellent basis on which to start a business and a path which I am following myself at the moment.
In the OP's case it's bagels which are something he is fond of, another plus point in choosing a business, and in mine it's guitars, something I am very partial to.
In both cases not actually needing to make a living wage is a great help.
I admire your effort and the OP's as well but I disagree totally that not mattering if it works out is an excellent basis on which to start a business.In the OP's case it's bagels which are something he is fond of, another plus point in choosing a business, and in mine it's guitars, something I am very partial to.
In both cases not actually needing to make a living wage is a great help.
Personally that'd be a non starter for me.
I suppose if you are wealthy enough to lose on a venture that's another matter.
If I go into a business, it's full on with a purpose of making a strong return. Of course I'll take risks and try things but making a profit is what it's all about.
fed up with Google, ebay, amazon, suppliers, customers, SEO, SOA, SPG you get the picture I am sure.swerni said:
Are you going to make then yourself or buy in?
Will it be kosher ?
If the answer to either of those two is no then your immediately limiting your market
Kosher yes and they will be bought in from the award winning Manchester bakery whose bagels I love and so do many others. Will it be kosher ?
If the answer to either of those two is no then your immediately limiting your market
If it takes off you could bake in store but baking bagels is a long process. Note my Wirral market is not jewish so taste and authenticity are more of the sales drivers.
swerni said:
I was born in the East End so grew up on this stuff.
Also a very close family friend use to supply Waitrose, Sainsbury with their bagels and challah until the sold out for a couple of million.
IMHO very few places are authentic, bagels are best hot and straight from the oven and don't seem to travel very well.
One of the downsides of living in Surrey, there no decent kosher deli
Open one down here.
Reheat and http://www.statefayrebakery.co.ukAlso a very close family friend use to supply Waitrose, Sainsbury with their bagels and challah until the sold out for a couple of million.
IMHO very few places are authentic, bagels are best hot and straight from the oven and don't seem to travel very well.
One of the downsides of living in Surrey, there no decent kosher deli
Open one down here.
There's a family run bakery close to me and if anywhere is an example of being successful it's there. http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.burbidg...
It has been there for a number of years & the guy who owns it is a multi millionare & also appeared on "Britains best bakery".. The prices are bit steep but there is always a queue outside the door so he must be doing something right.
It has been there for a number of years & the guy who owns it is a multi millionare & also appeared on "Britains best bakery".. The prices are bit steep but there is always a queue outside the door so he must be doing something right.
boobles said:
There's a family run bakery close to me and if anywhere is an example of being successful it's there. http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.burbidg...
It has been there for a number of years & the guy who owns it is a multi millionare & also appeared on "Britains best bakery".. The prices are bit steep but there is always a queue outside the door so he must be doing something right.
He either won the lottery or inherited his millions or has 10 of those shops because with my best man maths I cannot see one shop getting you the 7 figure holy grailIt has been there for a number of years & the guy who owns it is a multi millionare & also appeared on "Britains best bakery".. The prices are bit steep but there is always a queue outside the door so he must be doing something right.
I frequent the state fayre outlet on Park Lane, Whitefield it's close to where I live.
Have you had a look at that particular place? It is exactly what you are describing. If you haven't already have a quick blast over on a Sunday morning it will make your mind up for sure. Yes it's has a great Jewish footfall but not 100%.
Queues out the door are not unusual and it's not down to fancy decor. You're onto a winner.
It's not as fancy as the one in the website gallery. But still as busy.
Have you had a look at that particular place? It is exactly what you are describing. If you haven't already have a quick blast over on a Sunday morning it will make your mind up for sure. Yes it's has a great Jewish footfall but not 100%.
Queues out the door are not unusual and it's not down to fancy decor. You're onto a winner.
It's not as fancy as the one in the website gallery. But still as busy.
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