HMRC waste

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spikeyhead

Original Poster:

17,311 posts

197 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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I was fractionally late in paying HMRC.

They've now sent, by post a demand for 41p interest. I wonder what the cost of printing, paper, envelope and postage came to?

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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On the face of it, it's utterly daft, but then why should you be let of when somebody who owes more has to pay?

Blackpuddin

16,509 posts

205 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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O/T already but I asked TSB to send me some paper statements, they arrived last week all at once - in 12 separate envelopes.

spikeyhead

Original Poster:

17,311 posts

197 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Inkyfingers said:
On the face of it, it's utterly daft, but then why should you be let of when somebody who owes more has to pay?
The letter includes the sentence

"A payslip is attached if you wish to pay, but the Collector will not pursue this small amount."

So not only have they spent several £££s chasing 41p, but they have also told me I needn't bother paying. Why spend the effort?

Simpo Two

85,404 posts

265 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Bevause they have a very big computer that's set up that way, and nobody knows how to change it. It's called a 'system'. Systems and policies are things put in place so that nobody has to think. The problems start when someone starts to think... dangerous indeed.

How many times have you had a perfectly sensible request batted back with 'It's the system' or 'It's our policy'? Both mean 'You're right but...'

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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spikeyhead said:
The letter includes the sentence

"A payslip is attached if you wish to pay, but the Collector will not pursue this small amount."

So not only have they spent several £££s chasing 41p, but they have also told me I needn't bother paying. Why spend the effort?
OK, then it's bonkers!

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Which costs more. The odd letter for a piddly amount. Or reprogramming the system to decide what to send or not.

Say it costs £10,000 a year in unnecessary letters. Or £100,000 to run the project to make the change.

Which is more wasteful?

Someone has probably taken a quick glance at the numbers and decided it's a feature that's not cost effective, so send a letter for everything and live with it.

Eric Mc

121,994 posts

265 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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And fulfill their legal obligations whilst they are at it.

Simpo Two

85,404 posts

265 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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Munter said:
Which costs more. The odd letter for a piddly amount. Or reprogramming the system to decide what to send or not.

Say it costs £10,000 a year in unnecessary letters. Or £100,000 to run the project to make the change.

Which is more wasteful?

Someone has probably taken a quick glance at the numbers and decided it's a feature that's not cost effective, so send a letter for everything and live with it.
Perhaps. Do you think they think that hard? wink

It also shouldn't cost £100,000 to add 'If x = <£1 nosend'

Eric Mc

121,994 posts

265 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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It was decided with the advent of Self Assessment 20 years ago NOT to have any "de minimis" levels regarding under or overpaid taxes.

It was a conscious decision based on legal advice at top QC/House of Lords level.

BoRED S2upid

19,692 posts

240 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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I'm guessing spikey if you were owed a similar amount as a rebate they shouldn't bother writing to you about that either?

Eric Mc

121,994 posts

265 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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They will.

eps

6,296 posts

269 months

Monday 24th November 2014
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spikeyhead said:
I was fractionally late in paying HMRC.

They've now sent, by post a demand for 41p interest. I wonder what the cost of printing, paper, envelope and postage came to?
Was this really a Demand or a 'for your records / Statement' type letter?

Mr Overheads

2,439 posts

176 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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BoRED S2upid said:
I'm guessing spikey if you were owed a similar amount as a rebate they shouldn't bother writing to you about that either?
Nope they do. I paid my Corporation tax a month early a couple of years ago, so it accrued £1.01 interest owing to me (i.e. they pay you interst when you are in credit), which they then paid out by cheque automatically ratehr than jsut deduct from next years figure. I didn't bother cashing it.

spikeyhead

Original Poster:

17,311 posts

197 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Mr Overheads said:
BoRED S2upid said:
I'm guessing spikey if you were owed a similar amount as a rebate they shouldn't bother writing to you about that either?
Nope they do. I paid my Corporation tax a month early a couple of years ago, so it accrued £1.01 interest owing to me (i.e. they pay you interst when you are in credit), which they then paid out by cheque automatically ratehr than jsut deduct from next years figure. I didn't bother cashing it.
My bank charges me £1.50 if I pay in a cheque.

dirty boy

14,697 posts

209 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Not to mention recently we applied to have a company struck off, wrote in to HMRC stating what was happening to close the corporation tax file. Client paid the tax. HMRC then repaid the tax as a cheque (not cashed) as it didn't fit the usual time slot, then objected to the striking off as they hadn't paid their tax.

That's just one scenario. Eric and others in constant dealings will no doubt have countless stories of wastage regarding HMRC, my favourite being their automated system seems to hate the Suffolk dialect and can't distinguish between Yes and No!

Y'air
No-wuh

Completely different!!!