Commercial Lease Solicitor

Commercial Lease Solicitor

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mchoody

Original Poster:

327 posts

205 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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We are in the process of selling our current premises (small retail shop, value £110,000 with a small mortgage outstanding, £20K) and taking on a 5 year lease on a commercial unit (£13,600pa). Anyone have any experience or recommendations for a solicitor for this? I've had a quick quote from a local surrey based company, estimated fees are £ 1,250 for the sale and £ 1,500 plus disbursements for the lease. Sound fair?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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Sounds bloody expensive to me.

A solicitor in Leicester that does a lot of work for me would charge £600 plus VAT & disbs for the sale and £350 plus VAT and disbs for the lease (as landlord).

Mind you, I currently have a Leamington Spa solicitor doing a lease and they are charging £1200 plus VAT & disbs.

surveyor

17,811 posts

184 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2014
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If they are good and fast sounds fine. I can recommend good people who charge more, and people who charge less, but are slow.

How important is it that the transactions go through smoothly?

Nothing is more annoying than solicitors who blame each other for delays.

mchoody

Original Poster:

327 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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I've actually appointed them this week, by the time I think about it another few weeks will have passed and I'm keen to get the ball rolling!

Billsnemesis

817 posts

237 months

Monday 8th December 2014
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surveyor said:
If they are good and fast sounds fine. I can recommend good people who charge more, and people who charge less, but are slow.

How important is it that the transactions go through smoothly?

Nothing is more annoying than solicitors who blame each other for delays.
Or clients who think that job can be done in an hour for 50p...

Vixpy1

42,622 posts

264 months

Monday 8th December 2014
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Rob_H

108 posts

243 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Also consider getting a schedule of condition attached to your new lease. Will save you a lot of money at the termination of the lease and limit your dilapidation liability

Rob

Haggleburyfinius

6,596 posts

186 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Not applicable here at all but need a vent!

Just passed 10K in legal fees for the inside the act renewal of a £8k p/a lease.

Surveyors bills incoming soon as well...lovely.

surveyor

17,811 posts

184 months

Friday 12th December 2014
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Haggleburyfinius said:
Not applicable here at all but need a vent!

Just passed 10K in legal fees for the inside the act renewal of a £8k p/a lease.

Surveyors bills incoming soon as well...lovely.
I presume that you have a Landlord who is making life difficult?

Haggleburyfinius

6,596 posts

186 months

Saturday 13th December 2014
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surveyor said:
Haggleburyfinius said:
Not applicable here at all but need a vent!

Just passed 10K in legal fees for the inside the act renewal of a £8k p/a lease.

Surveyors bills incoming soon as well...lovely.
I presume that you have a Landlord who is making life difficult?
Oh yes. Every trick in the book to try and trip us up.

We are the only unit in the building not on a licence...

PhilLL

1,123 posts

200 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Has anyone had experience with using a Property Consultant/Agent to negotiate lease terms on your behalf?

We have a specific property we are interested in and our solicitor has mentioned that using an agent to negotiate on our behalf may be worthwhile, but I'm not convinced whether they will add any more value or broker a deal better than their likely fee (circa 10% of annual rental).

surveyor

17,811 posts

184 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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PhilLL said:
Has anyone had experience with using a Property Consultant/Agent to negotiate lease terms on your behalf?

We have a specific property we are interested in and our solicitor has mentioned that using an agent to negotiate on our behalf may be worthwhile, but I'm not convinced whether they will add any more value or broker a deal better than their likely fee (circa 10% of annual rental).
Yes. But as I do this I would say that.

Should be looking at rent, and importantly other principle lease terms. Also will consider future liabilities and way to mitigate, eg schedule of condition and repairing liabilities.

Should save their fee.... Their fee is likely to be a fairly small cost in the scheme of things, but provide significant advice.

surveyor

17,811 posts

184 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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PhilLL said:
Has anyone had experience with using a Property Consultant/Agent to negotiate lease terms on your behalf?

We have a specific property we are interested in and our solicitor has mentioned that using an agent to negotiate on our behalf may be worthwhile, but I'm not convinced whether they will add any more value or broker a deal better than their likely fee (circa 10% of annual rental).
Yes. But as I do this I would say that.

Should be looking at rent, and importantly other principle lease terms. Also will consider future liabilities and way to mitigate, eg schedule of condition and repairing liabilities.

Should save their fee.... Their fee is likely to be a fairly small cost in the scheme of things, but provide significant advice.

Chrisgr31

13,468 posts

255 months

Friday 19th December 2014
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Has anyone had experience of using a design company rather than knocking something up in the shed and was it better value?

Reality is a good surveyor probably will save you more than the cost, but that might not become clear until the end of the lease when it becomes clear what the cost of dilapidations etc is, or whether the lease can be renewed etc.

LooneyTunes

6,833 posts

158 months

Saturday 20th December 2014
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Chrisgr31 said:
Has anyone had experience of using a design company rather than knocking something up in the shed and was it better value?
For fitout? If so, yes.

The better value thing is subjective though. We have a higher quality product that we could have designed/delivered ourselves but the overall cost has been high due to what we told them we wanted.