Are there any advantages to paying higher rate tax?
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schmunk said:
blindspot said:
Better schools, hospitals, roads, other infrastructure. Well paid, motivated and valued nurses, doctors, police service, fire bde, military. Investment in the arts, sport and loans for small business.
Quite a lot of advantages really!
Little bit of politics there, ladies and gentlemen...Quite a lot of advantages really!
ks.blindspot said:
Better schools, hospitals, roads, other infrastructure. Well paid, motivated and valued nurses, doctors, police service, fire bde, military. Investment in the arts, sport and loans for small business.
Quite a lot of advantages really!
And yet the people who pay the most to all those things tend to use them the least...Quite a lot of advantages really!
Well there's some chips on shoulders around here..
I'm pretty sure that the need for the mentioned public services is agreed by just about everybody. Given that we want those things, we have to pay for them. We do that through taxation. Those who have succeeded wind up paying the most - which is fair. Whilst those people may not directly consume healthcare from the NHS or state schools, they are heavy secondary users of those services, relying on having a healthy, educated public from which to draw clients and employees, and certainly benefit from the protection of police and a judiciary.
I'm pretty sure that the need for the mentioned public services is agreed by just about everybody. Given that we want those things, we have to pay for them. We do that through taxation. Those who have succeeded wind up paying the most - which is fair. Whilst those people may not directly consume healthcare from the NHS or state schools, they are heavy secondary users of those services, relying on having a healthy, educated public from which to draw clients and employees, and certainly benefit from the protection of police and a judiciary.
blindspot said:
Well there's some chips on shoulders around here..
I'm pretty sure that the need for the mentioned public services is agreed by just about everybody. Given that we want those things, we have to pay for them. We do that through taxation. Those who have succeeded wind up paying the most - which is fair. Whilst those people may not directly consume healthcare from the NHS or state schools, they are heavy secondary users of those services, relying on having a healthy, educated public from which to draw clients and employees, and certainly benefit from the protection of police and a judiciary.
...and with that statement you will get very few dissenters.....very political, as it doesn;t actually say anything. Now define how much should be paid....by whom, what is sufficent public services & who should recieve.I'm pretty sure that the need for the mentioned public services is agreed by just about everybody. Given that we want those things, we have to pay for them. We do that through taxation. Those who have succeeded wind up paying the most - which is fair. Whilst those people may not directly consume healthcare from the NHS or state schools, they are heavy secondary users of those services, relying on having a healthy, educated public from which to draw clients and employees, and certainly benefit from the protection of police and a judiciary.
gregf40 said:
blindspot said:
Those who have succeeded wind up paying the most - which is fair.
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treating people equally without favouritism or discrimination.
I'd argue it is the complete opposite of fair. 'Fair' would be charging everyone the same IMO.
I don't intend to propose a budget, but merely to make the point that our taxes pay for some very worthwhile things. Paying more ought to mean better services, and public servants - teachers, doctors, nurses etc - who are rewarded for their service and the contribution they make to a modern civilised state.
The idea that fair means everyone paying the same regardless of their means would seem unsophisticated coming from a 13 year old who had recently suffered a serious brain injury. It is frankly idiotic. If you are successful, you have and are benefitting greatly from the machinery of society. Therefore you dig a bit deeper than those who are struggling.
In my view the sort of person who begrudges the principle of progressive taxation is usually the sort of tight individual that ducks their round. And there's nothing worse than the guy who always disappears when it is his turn to get the beers in but is shouting for crisps, shots and fancy cider when someone else is at the bar.
The idea that fair means everyone paying the same regardless of their means would seem unsophisticated coming from a 13 year old who had recently suffered a serious brain injury. It is frankly idiotic. If you are successful, you have and are benefitting greatly from the machinery of society. Therefore you dig a bit deeper than those who are struggling.
In my view the sort of person who begrudges the principle of progressive taxation is usually the sort of tight individual that ducks their round. And there's nothing worse than the guy who always disappears when it is his turn to get the beers in but is shouting for crisps, shots and fancy cider when someone else is at the bar.
Interesting take on what I said. Nowhere have I advocated socialism - I consider myself to be very much a capitalist, albeit one who believes in contributing towards society. Apart from any humanitarian considerations, it is better for business when the general population is healthy, educated and in work that pays enough to have a decent level of disposable income.
In the analogy I proposed, it is very much the usual red-faced and corpulent Thatcherite/UKIP types grabbing with both hands and making for the toilets when the bill arrives.
In the analogy I proposed, it is very much the usual red-faced and corpulent Thatcherite/UKIP types grabbing with both hands and making for the toilets when the bill arrives.
Sorry I had deleted my response and was going to re-post it with an edit - but here it is again so your reply makes sense 
blindspot said:
In my view the sort of person who begrudges the principle of progressive taxation is usually the sort of tight individual that ducks their round. And there's nothing worse than the guy who always disappears when it is his turn to get the beers in but is shouting for crisps, shots and fancy cider when someone else is at the bar.
gregf40 said:
You have basically demonstrated why socialism doesn't work. Congratulations.
And for the record I hate rounds - always have. I prefer to buy my own drinks. So at least I practice what I preach
And for the record I hate rounds - always have. I prefer to buy my own drinks. So at least I practice what I preach
Edited by gregf40 on Tuesday 27th January 14:15
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