Opening a gentleman's massage venue
Discussion
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Obviously.
Let's not turn this into another debate on the tax obligations of criminals, because I don't think it takes a genius to work out that the type of person who wants to get into this line of work probably holds their tax obligations in as much esteem as the rest of the laws they're breaking.
I'd say if you're running what is ostensibly a place to go for a massage and wish to keep it open, paying tax is probably a good idea. It's not like stealing money then declaring it. He'd be pretending it was earned from something legitimate, so not paying tax would make no sense.Let's not turn this into another debate on the tax obligations of criminals, because I don't think it takes a genius to work out that the type of person who wants to get into this line of work probably holds their tax obligations in as much esteem as the rest of the laws they're breaking.
BJG1 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Obviously.
Let's not turn this into another debate on the tax obligations of criminals, because I don't think it takes a genius to work out that the type of person who wants to get into this line of work probably holds their tax obligations in as much esteem as the rest of the laws they're breaking.
I'd say if you're running what is ostensibly a place to go for a massage and wish to keep it open, paying tax is probably a good idea. It's not like stealing money then declaring it. He'd be pretending it was earned from something legitimate, so not paying tax would make no sense.Let's not turn this into another debate on the tax obligations of criminals, because I don't think it takes a genius to work out that the type of person who wants to get into this line of work probably holds their tax obligations in as much esteem as the rest of the laws they're breaking.
Without trying to make out like I know how it's done, your average Uk brothel isn't some pseudo "normal massage parlour" where if you know the secret hand shake you get to see a special menu with some extras offered on it.
Premises wise you ideally need an unassuming rental in an area where people don't like to ask too many questions with a landlord who will appreciate the cash. Your average terrace house in a low income area does well, people can come and go, park up and blend in amongst other population. The type of neighbourhood with a few drug dealers would obviously provide an ideal working benefit for your staff.
I'd imagine you'd be looking for short term arrangements with the landlord as well, keep the operation moving so's not to constantly build up suspicion plus being able to shut up shop and move on quickly when you get the inevitable outbreak of violence from your customers, drug overdose or fire bomb from over protective competition.
Trying to keep one step ahead of all that will undoubtably leave you with little time to be worrying about filing tax returns and keeping companies house up to date on trading venues. Registering for VAT might not prove the advantage you first though either seeing as the majority of expenditure won't come with a invoice either.
Eventually, if you're getting to the point where "lucky weekends at the casino" are no longer enough to explain your high cash expenditure and you need somewhere legitimate to wash the cash, I'm reliably informed any small take away food venue will suffice
OP I would suggest a deal of on line research into the topic is required, not by asking questions here but looking at what is involved in the business and how others who already have one operate.
I would not for one second suggest that you look at starting any form of business which is not 100% above board and legal. That said there are some areas of the UK that have a very different attitude to others to such businesses. Some are 100% zero tolerance and some actively work with the business owners to ensure that if the oldest trade in the world is being plied at least it is being done in safety and with security and protection and willing staff, not some s
t hole with stained mattresses on the floor, no rubber and a couple of 19 year old crack addicts or sex slaves.
One thing above all I would suggest though is that you are not really cut out for working below the radar and so I would immediately shelve any plans for added extra services you may have over and above a nice relaxing back rub.
I would not for one second suggest that you look at starting any form of business which is not 100% above board and legal. That said there are some areas of the UK that have a very different attitude to others to such businesses. Some are 100% zero tolerance and some actively work with the business owners to ensure that if the oldest trade in the world is being plied at least it is being done in safety and with security and protection and willing staff, not some s
t hole with stained mattresses on the floor, no rubber and a couple of 19 year old crack addicts or sex slaves.One thing above all I would suggest though is that you are not really cut out for working below the radar and so I would immediately shelve any plans for added extra services you may have over and above a nice relaxing back rub.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Hardly.
Without trying to make out like I know how it's done, your average Uk brothel isn't some pseudo "normal massage parlour" where if you know the secret hand shake you get to see a special menu with some extras offered on it.
Premises wise you ideally need an unassuming rental in an area where people don't like to ask too many questions with a landlord who will appreciate the cash. Your average terrace house in a low income area does well, people can come and go, park up and blend in amongst other population. The type of neighbourhood with a few drug dealers would obviously provide an ideal working benefit for your staff.
I'd imagine you'd be looking for short term arrangements with the landlord as well, keep the operation moving so's not to constantly build up suspicion plus being able to shut up shop and move on quickly when you get the inevitable outbreak of violence from your customers, drug overdose or fire bomb from over protective competition.
Trying to keep one step ahead of all that will undoubtably leave you with little time to be worrying about filing tax returns and keeping companies house up to date on trading venues. Registering for VAT might not prove the advantage you first though either seeing as the majority of expenditure won't come with a invoice either.
Eventually, if you're getting to the point where "lucky weekends at the casino" are no longer enough to explain your high cash expenditure and you need somewhere legitimate to wash the cash, I'm reliably informed any small take away food venue will suffice
You are very well informed. Without trying to make out like I know how it's done, your average Uk brothel isn't some pseudo "normal massage parlour" where if you know the secret hand shake you get to see a special menu with some extras offered on it.
Premises wise you ideally need an unassuming rental in an area where people don't like to ask too many questions with a landlord who will appreciate the cash. Your average terrace house in a low income area does well, people can come and go, park up and blend in amongst other population. The type of neighbourhood with a few drug dealers would obviously provide an ideal working benefit for your staff.
I'd imagine you'd be looking for short term arrangements with the landlord as well, keep the operation moving so's not to constantly build up suspicion plus being able to shut up shop and move on quickly when you get the inevitable outbreak of violence from your customers, drug overdose or fire bomb from over protective competition.
Trying to keep one step ahead of all that will undoubtably leave you with little time to be worrying about filing tax returns and keeping companies house up to date on trading venues. Registering for VAT might not prove the advantage you first though either seeing as the majority of expenditure won't come with a invoice either.
Eventually, if you're getting to the point where "lucky weekends at the casino" are no longer enough to explain your high cash expenditure and you need somewhere legitimate to wash the cash, I'm reliably informed any small take away food venue will suffice
one of the most successful establishments in this area is in a nice wealthy market town at one end of the high street in a three story building and has been for years. evidently run by women for men ,plod seem to turn a blind eye as it keeps the toms of the street.
yes lutterworth is a hot bed of crime and debauchery ( it has two knocking shops )but no fire bombings as yet
yes lutterworth is a hot bed of crime and debauchery ( it has two knocking shops )but no fire bombings as yet
http://www.winstonsmassageparlour.co.uk/
Being going in Leeds for years... Everyone knows it's a knocking shop, it never gets any police attention. A good thing really, if you're into that sort of thing then it's much better done in a safe place for everyone involved.
Being going in Leeds for years... Everyone knows it's a knocking shop, it never gets any police attention. A good thing really, if you're into that sort of thing then it's much better done in a safe place for everyone involved.
spooderman said:
What kind of annual turnover are we talking about?
No idea. But if it's a large as I imagine then I think it's safe to assume that some people that are way more adept at using machetes & baseball bats than you are have got in there first.Just to reiterate, from what I've heard, I can't think of a more vile, depressing and dangerous business to try and get involved in-especially if I hadn't "served my time" working up the career criminal ladder which I'm imagining you haven't.
In fact I'd go so far as to say if you aren't a career criminal your plan is flawed anyway, as from what I gather most brothels are a secondary income to the more profitable side of drug dealing. You're simply selling a by product of the primary business.
Some do work it the opposite way round, in that you get your girls (children) hooked on drugs in order to force them into prostitutaion, but then in order to stop them spending their wages with a rival you're going to have to get involved in that side too.
Either way, you're pretty much setting yourself up to be one of the vilest human beings in society. Drug addicts & prostitues aren't exactly the best people in the world, but they're infinitely better than the animals who coerce them into that life in the first place.
Stoke is full of them. All have signs above the door, advertise in the local dally paper and most have websites. They never seem to get shut down. I can only assume there is an element of tolerance from the Police and councils as it helps prevent girls working the streets. I assume HMRC are also content with the arrangement.
One of the many...
NSFW
http://newtinglesstoke.com/index2.php
One of the many...
NSFW
http://newtinglesstoke.com/index2.php
Edited by B17NNS on Wednesday 21st January 22:34
dave_s13 said:
http://www.winstonsmassageparlour.co.uk/
Being going in Leeds for years... Everyone knows it's a knocking shop, it never gets any police attention. A good thing really, if you're into that sort of thing then it's much better done in a safe place for everyone involved.
I'm confused. Free wifi, Sky sports, gym. At what point do you check your email, check the match highlights and go for a run - before or after the happy ending?Being going in Leeds for years... Everyone knows it's a knocking shop, it never gets any police attention. A good thing really, if you're into that sort of thing then it's much better done in a safe place for everyone involved.
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