Reverse Freehold

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toohangry

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Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Can anyone shed any light on the pros and cons of buying a flat with a reverse freehold please?

I've put it in business as it's an investment and I'll obviously be taking advice on this, I just wondered if anyone could give me a quick précis prior to that?

insurance_jon

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Tuesday 7th July 2015
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toohangry

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Tuesday 7th July 2015
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insurance_jon said:
That's not quite the same as a reverse fh?

Billsnemesis

817 posts

238 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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"Reverse freehold" is not a technical term so some clarity is needed on what exactly you are looking at.

Freehold reversion perhaps?

toohangry

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Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Billsnemesis said:
"Reverse freehold" is not a technical term so some clarity is needed on what exactly you are looking at.

Freehold reversion perhaps?
Thanks. This is the EA's view:

'A brief and simple explanation of reverse freehold is, If a housed is split into two flats the top flat would own the freehold to the bottom flat and vice versa, a lease is then in place for the individual flats to lease from each other, this legally protects the owners for any works that are required on the whole building. '

I've not heard of this before and as it's a ground floor flat I'm looking at, it makes it sound as if I'd be responsible for the roof!

akirk

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115 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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sounds overly complex to me - but am not an expert...
would flats where you share building costs not usually be part of a building management company (certainly reverse freeholds above two flats would get complex!)
https://www.gov.uk/set-up-property-management-comp...

it would mean that technically you are not the freeholder of your flat, does that give you each rights over what happens within the flat as well as the building structure - arguably it might? Can you force the sale of the freehold under rights to buy that? how would that complicate things?

I would want more explanation from the EA of this - why it was set up this way, and what the pros / cons might be

toohangry

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Tuesday 7th July 2015
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akirk said:
sounds overly complex to me - but am not an expert...
would flats where you share building costs not usually be part of a building management company (certainly reverse freeholds above two flats would get complex!)
https://www.gov.uk/set-up-property-management-comp...

it would mean that technically you are not the freeholder of your flat, does that give you each rights over what happens within the flat as well as the building structure - arguably it might? Can you force the sale of the freehold under rights to buy that? how would that complicate things?

I would want more explanation from the EA of this - why it was set up this way, and what the pros / cons might be
It sounds a little strange to me too. I don't see any pros really, other than I would own 'a' freehold. Very odd.

mph1977

12,467 posts

169 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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'tyneside flat' style property ?

toohangry

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Tuesday 7th July 2015
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mph1977 said:
'tyneside flat' style property ?
Wrong end of the country!

surveyor

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185 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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IIRC

Usually used in a block of two flats. Each one will own the freehold ot the other, and in turn own the long leasehold of the other.

advantages is a direct Landlord and Tenant relationship between the two, no service charge/management bills or issues.

Years since I've seen one so I'm not completely certain on my facts.

toohangry

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Wednesday 8th July 2015
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surveyor said:
IIRC

Usually used in a block of two flats. Each one will own the freehold ot the other, and in turn own the long leasehold of the other.

advantages is a direct Landlord and Tenant relationship between the two, no service charge/management bills or issues.

Years since I've seen one so I'm not completely certain on my facts.
Thanks.