Disputed Invoice - Advice?

Disputed Invoice - Advice?

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Cyberprog

2,191 posts

184 months

Wednesday 28th October 2015
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Simpo Two said:
The amount in dispute is £400. It has to be £600 to be upgradeable.
£400 once you add in court fees, hearing fees, witness expenses etc. could easily get to £600 for high court enforcement.

Simpo Two

85,521 posts

266 months

Saturday 31st October 2015
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Cyberprog said:
£400 once you add in court fees, hearing fees, witness expenses etc. could easily get to £600 for high court enforcement.
I think unlikely, but anyway, they'd have to sue and win first! (and if they can't be bothered to send Denzil round it's unlikely they'll be bothered to do anything, because it involves very much more time, effort and also money). One thing you need to win, as well as being right, is determination.

RanchoGrande

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1,151 posts

170 months

Friday 6th November 2015
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UPDATE: After the last letter stated that that would be the very last letter with no further correspondence I was surprised to receive another letter today. This letter is giving me one final chance to pay although it does state that they have now submitted the papers to the Central London County Court. It says that if I pay now they will withdraw them (is that even possible?) I'm also being warned that this debt has now been lodged with Dunn & Bradstreet, Experian and Equifax so my business credit rating is now damaged.

The final threat is that I will now face SUBSTANTIAL legal fees on top of the original debt. Wondering how much these legal fees could be?

essayer

9,080 posts

195 months

Friday 6th November 2015
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More scare tactics, the court will write to you if they genuinely have started a claim.

Simpo Two

85,521 posts

266 months

Friday 6th November 2015
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I'm fairly sure legal fees aren't reclaimable under the small claims procedure, which is designed to be used by ordinary people not legal practitioners.

If you were a top legal whizz it might be tempting to sue for intimidation/harassment etc over an unproved debt!

Jasandjules

69,924 posts

230 months

Friday 6th November 2015
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The letter you received today, is it still from some numpty lot or is it a law firm?

RanchoGrande

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1,151 posts

170 months

Friday 6th November 2015
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It's from Denzil and his merry men. Same company.

Jasandjules

69,924 posts

230 months

Saturday 7th November 2015
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RanchoGrande said:
It's from Denzil and his merry men. Same company.
Ah ok.

Have you written and informed them the debt is disputed and if they prejudice your credit record you will invite the DPA to take action against them......

JustinP1

13,330 posts

231 months

Saturday 7th November 2015
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RanchoGrande said:
... it does state that they have now submitted the papers to the Central London County Court. It says that if I pay now they will withdraw them (is that even possible?) I'm also being warned that this debt has now been lodged with Dunn & Bradstreet, Experian and Equifax so my business credit rating is now damaged.

The final threat is that I will now face SUBSTANTIAL legal fees on top of the original debt. Wondering how much these legal fees could be?
As Jas says, if this is a proper company here that letter has serious issues. In short, it's lies.

There's no 'legal costs' on the small claims track. It costs less than £100 to file a claim.

However, to recover any costs at all, it is expected that you have complied with pre-action conduct, which means giving proper warning that a court claim will start. It doesn't seem they have done this.

ETA with regards to 'lodging a debt' with credit reference agencies, they can't do that any more than I can lodge something on your file.

This is simply more desperation. It's cheap to file off a letter.

Edited by JustinP1 on Saturday 7th November 13:22

vikingaero

10,379 posts

170 months

Saturday 7th November 2015
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If you are concerned about visits or telephone calls you only need to send ONE letter to HarleyScamLegal by recorded delivery to tell them to cease and desist:

(1) No phone calls to your business or mobiles
(2) No emails
(3) Remove their implied right to visit
(4) Invoice them £150 per unsolicited call/email/visit
(5) Allow them to communicate only in writing


RanchoGrande

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1,151 posts

170 months

Sunday 8th November 2015
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Jasandjules said:
Ah ok.

Have you written and informed them the debt is disputed and if they prejudice your credit record you will invite the DPA to take action against them......
Yes about the dispute but no about the credit record issue. They are such A-holes that they will have a pre-written quote to come back at me with if I question the legitimacy of their credit rating threat.

RanchoGrande

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1,151 posts

170 months

Sunday 8th November 2015
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vikingaero said:
If you are concerned about visits or telephone calls you only need to send ONE letter to HarleyScamLegal by recorded delivery to tell them to cease and desist:

(1) No phone calls to your business or mobiles
(2) No emails
(3) Remove their implied right to visit
(4) Invoice them £150 per unsolicited call/email/visit
(5) Allow them to communicate only in writing
Fortunately they don't call or email, just letters sent via Royal Mail.

It does make me wonder how these companies exist if it's all just threats? I guess the debt recovery success rate must be high otherwise people wouldn't hire them.

Simpo Two

85,521 posts

266 months

Sunday 8th November 2015
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RanchoGrande said:
It does make me wonder how these companies exist if it's all just threats? I guess the debt recovery success rate must be high otherwise people wouldn't hire them.
Few people have knowledge of how the legal works. There letters are no doubt effective against people who are either ignorant of it, or who frighten easily - which is probably quite a lot.

I quite like Vikingaero's idea to send them a sternly worded slap in the chops (must be legally correct) and advise them that future comms will cost them £x.

I was in a similar position some years ago and told them that each time I wrote to them in response to one of their letters I'd invoice them £25. They sent me another letter. I invoiced them £25 - and guess what? The fkwits actually paid it!!