This is the end of contracting...
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The simple answer is we don't really know yet. We MIGHT be in a better position to comment in a few hours time.
However, as I keep saying, I do not think that they can actually change much at all. IR35 is all about INTERPRETATION rather than a strict list of things you MUST comply with.
It is about developing a FEEL for the relationship that exists between the worker and for whom he is working.
Also, IR35 should never be looked at in isolation from the overall approach to assessing an individual's status. It is part of an overarching set of principles regarding employers/employee/businesses etc that have been in place for over 100 years.
If special and unique rules were devised purely for IR35 purposes, it would create a disaatrous chain reaction affecting the whole legal basis of how you work out whether a person is "in business on their own account" or merely an "employee".
However, as I keep saying, I do not think that they can actually change much at all. IR35 is all about INTERPRETATION rather than a strict list of things you MUST comply with.
It is about developing a FEEL for the relationship that exists between the worker and for whom he is working.
Also, IR35 should never be looked at in isolation from the overall approach to assessing an individual's status. It is part of an overarching set of principles regarding employers/employee/businesses etc that have been in place for over 100 years.
If special and unique rules were devised purely for IR35 purposes, it would create a disaatrous chain reaction affecting the whole legal basis of how you work out whether a person is "in business on their own account" or merely an "employee".
hornetrider said:
Not really, I've already stated that in the curent rules I'm outside IR35. Apologies if I'm repeating the obvious.
This thread is about potential changes to how the govt will be treating PSC's. My question was related to how those mooted changes will impact your typical IT contractor who falls outside of current IR35 legislation. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
What is a typical IT contractor? The reasons for falling in or out of IR35 can differ, they may also be inconsistent.This thread is about potential changes to how the govt will be treating PSC's. My question was related to how those mooted changes will impact your typical IT contractor who falls outside of current IR35 legislation. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
Eric Mc said:
Best bet.
Prepare to be none the wiser though.
Yep this ^^^Prepare to be none the wiser though.
I very much doubt the Autumn Statement will be clear cut and concise on exactly what is going to happen. It will be deliberately vague and still under "consultation" while they try to work what they can get away with, without rocking the boat too much.
Eric Mc said:
Apparently, HMRC has set up a limited company so it can shunt some of its staff sideways in order to meet reduced staff targets.
I assume they'll all be taking the new IR35 tests too then? 
Let's face it, contractors are a legitimate way for big companies to cook the books in terms of both headcount and shunting around staffing overheads\costs to a more favourable column in the bookkeeping ledgers. Any impact on that is likely to p
s off those businesses, surely trying to get an extra few hundred million in tax (a drop in the ocean) isn't worth that pain so I'm still trying to work out what Osborne's end goal is here?The only thing I can think of is that he wants to make it easier for large consultancy and\or offshore firms to fill the void that a large contractor exodus would bring.
Eric Mc said:
The simple answer is we don't really know yet. We MIGHT be in a better position to comment in a few hours time.
However, as I keep saying, I do not think that they can actually change much at all. IR35 is all about INTERPRETATION rather than a strict list of things you MUST comply with.
It is about developing a FEEL for the relationship that exists between the worker and for whom he is working.
Also, IR35 should never be looked at in isolation from the overall approach to assessing an individual's status. It is part of an overarching set of principles regarding employers/employee/businesses etc that have been in place for over 100 years.
If special and unique rules were devised purely for IR35 purposes, it would create a disaatrous chain reaction affecting the whole legal basis of how you work out whether a person is "in business on their own account" or merely an "employee".
Eric, although you are probably right and I don't know much about IR35, they got round what you were saying in a construction related similar issue last year by simply making a new criteria and saying it was purely tax law and did not apply to employment law.However, as I keep saying, I do not think that they can actually change much at all. IR35 is all about INTERPRETATION rather than a strict list of things you MUST comply with.
It is about developing a FEEL for the relationship that exists between the worker and for whom he is working.
Also, IR35 should never be looked at in isolation from the overall approach to assessing an individual's status. It is part of an overarching set of principles regarding employers/employee/businesses etc that have been in place for over 100 years.
If special and unique rules were devised purely for IR35 purposes, it would create a disaatrous chain reaction affecting the whole legal basis of how you work out whether a person is "in business on their own account" or merely an "employee".
THe law was so black and white that it also encompassed many people it did not intend to. They went at it like a bull in a china shop and didn't give a s
t about the falloutGeorge Osborne is the most left wing chancellor we have had in my lifetime
It's online: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spendin...
Not read it yet.. obviously!
Edit: Helpfully not up to date yet... why tweet it then Gov?! :P
Not read it yet.. obviously!
Edit: Helpfully not up to date yet... why tweet it then Gov?! :P
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