New machine not doing what it is ment to.

New machine not doing what it is ment to.

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Redarress

677 posts

207 months

Thursday 9th June 2016
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You bought a machine from a company in Yorkshire who buy the machine from the Chinese manufacturer. Reject the machine it's not fit for purpose. Get Trading Standards involved. Machining metal is not an easy thing with minimum training
I employ skilled motivated engineers to set and run my machines. I have a factory full of Haas CNC lathes and machining centres so am biased Understanding of tooling and tips especially diamond tipped is paramount. Work holding including considering the centrifugal forces that will be acting on the rather crude jaws you have shown us are fitted to your lathe. These alone show the machine supplier is blagging it.

Ean218

1,965 posts

250 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Redarress said:
You bought a machine from a company in Yorkshire who buy the machine from the Chinese manufacturer. Reject the machine it's not fit for purpose. Get Trading Standards involved.
Why on earth would trading standards be interested? It is a commercial transaction subject to whatever terms were agreed between the two parties. Fitness for purpose may not have been one of them....

anothernameitist

1,500 posts

135 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Makes me ashamed to come from Yorkshire.


johnfm

13,668 posts

250 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Ean218 said:
Redarress said:
You bought a machine from a company in Yorkshire who buy the machine from the Chinese manufacturer. Reject the machine it's not fit for purpose. Get Trading Standards involved.
Why on earth would trading standards be interested? It is a commercial transaction subject to whatever terms were agreed between the two parties. Fitness for purpose may not have been one of them....
See implied terms under the Sale of Goods Act.

JKRolling

537 posts

102 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Sorry for trying to offer helpful advice and yes my username is a play on words between JK of jamiriqui and the author. The former being a car nut.

That has certainly taught me a lesson in not having an opinion to voice on here in future

thebraketester

14,226 posts

138 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Ignore them. JK. I might be after a small lathe soon any suggestions? Normal lathe not a wheel lathe.

Quattromaster

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2,907 posts

204 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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JKRolling said:
Sorry for trying to offer helpful advice and yes my username is a play on words between JK of jamiriqui and the author. The former being a car nut.

That has certainly taught me a lesson in not having an opinion to voice on here in future
I welcomed your advice pal, I did drop you an email via PH yesterday, did you get it. I was after some advice on tips, though since then we have tried some really cheap tips and got pretty much the same result as with the all singing, all dancing diamond carbide thingy ma jigs. So I don't think it's a problem with the tips.


spikeyhead

17,317 posts

197 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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I'd find a local precision engineers and see if I could borrow one of their turners for an evening of advice. I suspect that a decent turner would sort out the issue far quicker than us trying to remotely.

As for a suggestion of a small lathe, I'm very happy with my Harrison 280CNC, which is probably a little on the large side, but smaller Harrisons are good.

If you don't mind sorting out any issues, then Apex auctions and a few other auction houses are often selling lathes.

Lexual

511 posts

213 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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..not read all the posts so apologies if this has been mentioned or not even relevant, but is it a brand new machine or a refurb? just noticed blue over-spray on one of the feet..

honestbob

27 posts

95 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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So, the new cutting tips arrived last Friday. You double checked everything again, and pressed the go button with renewed confidence.........

Doh or Yippee ?

ReaderScars

6,087 posts

176 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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anothernameitist said:
Makes me ashamed to come from Yorkshire.
Stand somewhere else then.

Quattromaster

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2,907 posts

204 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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D - day tomorrow, the Chinese are a coming.

Company in Yorkshire have had 3 guys over from the company who produce the machine in China, they have taken a look at the pictures I've been sending up and agree something is not right, so they are heading down tomorrow, with a translator in tow.

I sense an end in sight.

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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Quattromaster said:
D - day tomorrow, the Chinese are a coming.

Company in Yorkshire have had 3 guys over from the company who produce the machine in China, they have taken a look at the pictures I've been sending up and agree something is not right, so they are heading down tomorrow, with a translator in tow.

I sense an end in sight.
Despite the pain of the machine not working correctly they at least seem to be taking is seriously!

I hope it gets sorted for you soon

oddball1313

1,191 posts

123 months

Wednesday 15th June 2016
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thebraketester said:
Ignore them. JK. I might be after a small lathe soon any suggestions? Normal lathe not a wheel lathe.
What's the capacity you need, when you say normal lathe I assume you mean manual and not CNC?

thebraketester

14,226 posts

138 months

Wednesday 15th June 2016
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Not massive. ~2ft between centers and a big a diameter capacity as possible. I've been looking at warco and Chester lathes

Not CNC. That's cheating. :-)

spikeyhead

17,317 posts

197 months

Wednesday 15th June 2016
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thebraketester said:
Not massive. ~2ft between centers and a big a diameter capacity as possible. I've been looking at warco and Chester lathes

Not CNC. That's cheating. :-)
I'd avoid the Warco stuff and go for a Colchester or Harrison gap bed lathe. Apex or similar would have them for sale fairly often, just go and have a look at it before buying, and understand that you may well need to make some minor repairs on it.

Also understand that although you'll pick up a decent lather for £1,000, you'll need to spend another grand on accessories.

S6PNJ

5,182 posts

281 months

Wednesday 15th June 2016
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thebraketester said:
Not massive. ~2ft between centers and a big a diameter capacity as possible. I've been looking at warco and Chester lathes

Not CNC. That's cheating. :-)
Where are you based and how soon do you want the lathe? I know of a Colchester Student and a Colchester Bantam (probably too small for you) that will be up for sale reasonably soon (few months).

thebraketester

14,226 posts

138 months

Thursday 16th June 2016
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Hertfordshire. That might work out very well send me a message with details please ( unless they are in Inverness :-))

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 16th June 2016
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So what was the outcome of the visit from the Chineses OP?

feef

5,206 posts

183 months

Thursday 16th June 2016
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spikeyhead said:
thebraketester said:
Not massive. ~2ft between centers and a big a diameter capacity as possible. I've been looking at warco and Chester lathes

Not CNC. That's cheating. :-)
I'd avoid the Warco stuff and go for a Colchester or Harrison gap bed lathe. Apex or similar would have them for sale fairly often, just go and have a look at it before buying, and understand that you may well need to make some minor repairs on it.

Also understand that although you'll pick up a decent lather for £1,000, you'll need to spend another grand on accessories.
I've got a little Warco lathe with a milling head. It works fine for aluminium but you need to be careful when turning steel as it's obviously not as strong as Colchesters and the like. I also tend to make one off parts for myself so I measure as I go using calipers, and don't rely on the measurements on the lathe adjustments as they don't tend to be the most accurate. That being said, I learned to turn on a very worn old Colchester that had tonnes of backlash in the adjusters so have been measuring on the fly from day one.

You can make it work with a Warco, and it's fine for hobby level or small/one off quantities but for anything more I would go with something a bit more robust.