Losing work as a result of Brexit
Poll: Losing work as a result of Brexit
Total Members Polled: 195
Discussion
The Moose said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
Work in construction. It's grim. Pending contracts had a Brexit clause. Developers were not prepared to invest in an uncertain economic climate and longer term works in regeneration areas cannot progress as their commercial viability is dependent upon EU funding.
In addition to this much of our RMs are sourced from abroad. The drop in the value of the pound has hammered our margins.
Plant manufacturers must be taking a hammering. Plant hire companies are making massive cuts in their procurement programs.
Even if this is a short term shock the construction industry as we know it won't be around for any recovery.
Pl
Perhaps regeneration shouldn't happen if it can't be afforded - that's how we have this huge deficit!In addition to this much of our RMs are sourced from abroad. The drop in the value of the pound has hammered our margins.
Plant manufacturers must be taking a hammering. Plant hire companies are making massive cuts in their procurement programs.
Even if this is a short term shock the construction industry as we know it won't be around for any recovery.
Pl
We have two choices. We leave these areas as asbestos and chemical sludge polluted inner city deserts, don't bother cleaning them up, don't develop, don't build houses, offices, high-tec industrial units and set up future contributors to the national economy or do nothing and watch the whole economy of the country gravitate towards the South East until market forces allow us to do otherwise. Or we put our hand in our collective pockets and deal with the mess we have made of these areas.
These projects generate jobs in deprived areas,generate profits for construction, plant and service industries and leave the legacy of vibrant comunities, work places, leisure facilities and infra-structure. If you and other tax payers aren't happy that your money keeps me in gainful employment along with tens of thousands of my colleagues not to mention those working in the industrial units and office space we build we could always sign on the dole.
Tannedbaldhead said:
Work in construction. It's grim.
Even if this is a short term shock the construction industry as we know it won't be around for any recovery.
A good friend of mine is likely to shut the doors on his otherwise successful recruitment company this week; specialises in Project Managers and Project Directors in construction. His clients in the sector he deals with have all put a hold on all recruitment for the next 6 months or at least until clarity is given on the structure of Brexit. As you say, this may well change but in the meantime, people like my friend need to earn a living and he is seriously looking at a total move to Cyprus.Even if this is a short term shock the construction industry as we know it won't be around for any recovery.
blueg33 said:
battered said:
Move the economy out of the SE? Where's the votes in that?
Yup. A five minute job that hasnt bern tried before 
Shock horror, competent people who can do work exist outside the M25. Who knew?
battered said:
blueg33 said:
battered said:
Move the economy out of the SE? Where's the votes in that?
Yup. A five minute job that hasnt bern tried before Shock horror, competent people who can do work exist outside the M25. Who knew?
Relocating a couple of Government offices does not make an economy. you need to attract businesses, that means quality accommodation, good infrastructure etc
blueg33 said:
battered said:
blueg33 said:
battered said:
Move the economy out of the SE? Where's the votes in that?
Yup. A five minute job that hasnt bern tried before Shock horror, competent people who can do work exist outside the M25. Who knew?
[quote]Relocating a couple of Government offices does not make an economy. you need to attract businesses, that means quality accommodation, good infrastructure etc
battered said:
blueg33 said:
battered said:
blueg33 said:
battered said:
Move the economy out of the SE? Where's the votes in that?
Yup. A five minute job that hasnt bern tried before Shock horror, competent people who can do work exist outside the M25. Who knew?
[quote]Relocating a couple of Government offices does not make an economy. you need to attract businesses, that means quality accommodation, good infrastructure etc
Who is paying for the new railway station? Its central government and some private money with the return guaranteed by Government. (I know because our Group bid for the work). In other words its being done to try and attract businesses etc because they are not locating to the region without the infrastructure.
The point is, small things like this only scratch the surface, it needs major investment over many years to regenerate properly. When a Government changes every 4 years the funding dries up or gets diverted. The beauty of European regen money is that its longer term and less impacted by national political decisions, so things stand a better chance of being done.
We have a car sales/service and parts business and lost 2 car deals in brexit week but have picked up some big export orders when the £ tanked.
My main concern was that we would have an immediate 208 style situation with the economy going into complete freefall so with 4 other full time staff members to worry about I was more than a bit relieved that this didnt happen.
There are underlying reports on a slow down in the economy but we will have to wait and see what happens. There have been far more important things going on in the world recently which I think have taken everyones mind off the Brexit situation.
My gut feeling though is we are in a slow mo car crash and at the moment we just have our foot covering the brakes. The real outlook will become clearer when we see exactly what France and Germany are going to do with us. If their position is soft and we may end up with some decent concessions for associate membership or free access with no free movement (almost impossibly unlikely) then fine but if they decide its necessary to make an example of us things will become very tricky for us. What the EU have to decide is if the greater project is worth more to them than the trade surplus they individually carry with us.
At the moment its business as usual and I think unless you are into big projects or building putting things down to Brexit just now might be missing the point on something else. We still have people laying down 30k for toy cars so the worlds not ending just yet.
My main concern was that we would have an immediate 208 style situation with the economy going into complete freefall so with 4 other full time staff members to worry about I was more than a bit relieved that this didnt happen.
There are underlying reports on a slow down in the economy but we will have to wait and see what happens. There have been far more important things going on in the world recently which I think have taken everyones mind off the Brexit situation.
My gut feeling though is we are in a slow mo car crash and at the moment we just have our foot covering the brakes. The real outlook will become clearer when we see exactly what France and Germany are going to do with us. If their position is soft and we may end up with some decent concessions for associate membership or free access with no free movement (almost impossibly unlikely) then fine but if they decide its necessary to make an example of us things will become very tricky for us. What the EU have to decide is if the greater project is worth more to them than the trade surplus they individually carry with us.
At the moment its business as usual and I think unless you are into big projects or building putting things down to Brexit just now might be missing the point on something else. We still have people laying down 30k for toy cars so the worlds not ending just yet.
fridaypassion said:
We have a car sales/service and parts business and lost 2 car deals in brexit week but have picked up some big export orders when the £ tanked.
My main concern was that we would have an immediate 208 style situation with the economy going into complete freefall so with 4 other full time staff members to worry about I was more than a bit relieved that this didnt happen.
There are underlying reports on a slow down in the economy but we will have to wait and see what happens. There have been far more important things going on in the world recently which I think have taken everyones mind off the Brexit situation.
My gut feeling though is we are in a slow mo car crash and at the moment we just have our foot covering the brakes. The real outlook will become clearer when we see exactly what France and Germany are going to do with us. If their position is soft and we may end up with some decent concessions for associate membership or free access with no free movement (almost impossibly unlikely) then fine but if they decide its necessary to make an example of us things will become very tricky for us. What the EU have to decide is if the greater project is worth more to them than the trade surplus they individually carry with us.
At the moment its business as usual and I think unless you are into big projects or building putting things down to Brexit just now might be missing the point on something else. We still have people laying down 30k for toy cars so the worlds not ending just yet.
shhhhh, thats not on messageMy main concern was that we would have an immediate 208 style situation with the economy going into complete freefall so with 4 other full time staff members to worry about I was more than a bit relieved that this didnt happen.
There are underlying reports on a slow down in the economy but we will have to wait and see what happens. There have been far more important things going on in the world recently which I think have taken everyones mind off the Brexit situation.
My gut feeling though is we are in a slow mo car crash and at the moment we just have our foot covering the brakes. The real outlook will become clearer when we see exactly what France and Germany are going to do with us. If their position is soft and we may end up with some decent concessions for associate membership or free access with no free movement (almost impossibly unlikely) then fine but if they decide its necessary to make an example of us things will become very tricky for us. What the EU have to decide is if the greater project is worth more to them than the trade surplus they individually carry with us.
At the moment its business as usual and I think unless you are into big projects or building putting things down to Brexit just now might be missing the point on something else. We still have people laying down 30k for toy cars so the worlds not ending just yet.
StevieBee said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
Work in construction. It's grim.
Even if this is a short term shock the construction industry as we know it won't be around for any recovery.
A good friend of mine is likely to shut the doors on his otherwise successful recruitment company this week; specialises in Project Managers and Project Directors in construction. His clients in the sector he deals with have all put a hold on all recruitment for the next 6 months or at least until clarity is given on the structure of Brexit. As you say, this may well change but in the meantime, people like my friend need to earn a living and he is seriously looking at a total move to Cyprus.Even if this is a short term shock the construction industry as we know it won't be around for any recovery.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36975320
Notice that the barrage of emails from recruitment consultants I was receiving on a near daily basis offering 30 pieces of silver for me to jump ship has all but dried up. Knowing that business as I do they wont hang about when it comes to chopping staff as soon as they become unproductive.
The annoying thing is that as the wheels start to come off (and the B of E cutting rates is recognition of problems we are lumbered with now) The swivel eyed brexiteers will call it a conspiracy amongst everyone to talk the economy down well no guys this is what those of us with some common sense predicted and its happening sadly.
My god there is a lot of knee-jerk reaction out there. The scare mongering of the Remain campaign has created most of the uncertainty in the markets and industry. They had no other argument for remaining so pushed it well beyond reality - which is now what the markets expect to be 'reality'.
We need to be building houses. That has not changed.
We will not be out for at least 2 years. And as for moving to Cyprus, 'frying-pan-into-fire' springs to mind!
The EU will self destruct over the next 5 years or so, or at least in it's current form and direction.
Decisions made in haste are usually wrong. We are still seeing a degree of 'panic' from people who should know better. Much seems to be created to make profit from selling out and buying back in at much lower values.
One of my businesses is unaffected. The other is subject to currency changes - output prices up and inputs up (priced in $) but reduction in value of EU support value.
We are the 5th strongest economy in the world.
Grow up and act like it.
We need to be building houses. That has not changed.
We will not be out for at least 2 years. And as for moving to Cyprus, 'frying-pan-into-fire' springs to mind!
The EU will self destruct over the next 5 years or so, or at least in it's current form and direction.
Decisions made in haste are usually wrong. We are still seeing a degree of 'panic' from people who should know better. Much seems to be created to make profit from selling out and buying back in at much lower values.
One of my businesses is unaffected. The other is subject to currency changes - output prices up and inputs up (priced in $) but reduction in value of EU support value.
We are the 5th strongest economy in the world.
Grow up and act like it.
Storer said:
My god there is a lot of knee-jerk reaction out there. The scare mongering of the Remain campaign has created most of the uncertainty in the markets and industry. They had no other argument for remaining so pushed it well beyond reality - which is now what the markets expect to be 'reality'.
We need to be building houses. That has not changed.
We will not be out for at least 2 years. And as for moving to Cyprus, 'frying-pan-into-fire' springs to mind!
The EU will self destruct over the next 5 years or so, or at least in it's current form and direction.
Decisions made in haste are usually wrong. We are still seeing a degree of 'panic' from people who should know better. Much seems to be created to make profit from selling out and buying back in at much lower values.
One of my businesses is unaffected. The other is subject to currency changes - output prices up and inputs up (priced in $) but reduction in value of EU support value.
We are the 5th strongest economy in the world.
Grow up and act like it.
Excellent post. The remnants of the remain campaign sure are bad losers and some of them will try to make their dire, and quite frankly ridiculous, claims come true.We need to be building houses. That has not changed.
We will not be out for at least 2 years. And as for moving to Cyprus, 'frying-pan-into-fire' springs to mind!
The EU will self destruct over the next 5 years or so, or at least in it's current form and direction.
Decisions made in haste are usually wrong. We are still seeing a degree of 'panic' from people who should know better. Much seems to be created to make profit from selling out and buying back in at much lower values.
One of my businesses is unaffected. The other is subject to currency changes - output prices up and inputs up (priced in $) but reduction in value of EU support value.
We are the 5th strongest economy in the world.
Grow up and act like it.
I was astonished at the vitriol of the losers. And they are supposed to be intellectuals!
1)There were three Cod Wars, one before we joined, one at the same time and one after:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars
As for the industrial scale Spanish fishing boats that appeared in what had been British waters, where did they come from?
2) We will never know, but our own government may well have imposed quotas eventually, had they been required to save the species. No need to pay others to make rules for us.
We had vast fishing grounds; all we had to do was defend them. Instead we gave them away.
battered said:
Simpo Two said:
How did we ever manage before we joined the EEC? Loads of fish and a healthy fishing industry IIRC. The EU crushed our fishing industry - but people have short memories.
No it didn't, losing the Cod Wars did. Pre EEC. As for overfishing, that has been going on since 1945. Stocks halved every 20 years between 1945 and 1990-ish, since then it's looking a bit more sustainable. But left to our own devices? We halved the stocks and halved them again. Short memories indeed, none as short as them as don't want to remember.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars
As for the industrial scale Spanish fishing boats that appeared in what had been British waters, where did they come from?
2) We will never know, but our own government may well have imposed quotas eventually, had they been required to save the species. No need to pay others to make rules for us.
We had vast fishing grounds; all we had to do was defend them. Instead we gave them away.
Edited by Simpo Two on Sunday 7th August 10:56
Simpo Two said:
Perhaps we should distinguish between 'knee-jerk reactions based on referendum result flapping', and 'Britain leaving the EU' - which won't happen for at least 2.5 years.
I noticed the front of the Daily Express today saying that house prices had gone up 10% in a month - seemed odd to me - is that true?
I also wonder why a trade deal takes two years and 300 'experts' to sort out.
'Wanna buy some fish?'
'How much?'
'£500'
'You're having a giraffe matey, £250 tops'.
'Hmm, £400 then'.
'How about £300?'
'£350 cash?'
'OK deal'
Not having a clue how negotiation works = check.I noticed the front of the Daily Express today saying that house prices had gone up 10% in a month - seemed odd to me - is that true?
I also wonder why a trade deal takes two years and 300 'experts' to sort out.
'Wanna buy some fish?'
'How much?'
'£500'
'You're having a giraffe matey, £250 tops'.
'Hmm, £400 then'.
'How about £300?'
'£350 cash?'
'OK deal'
Express as a guide what's actually happening = check.
Love it.
blueg33 said:
I go there regularly, whats more I invest in the area, I have two live developments in Leeds right now, land is dirt cheap but it only works for me because I have government backed income. The City centre is full of stalled developments.
Who is paying for the new railway station? Its central government and some private money with the return guaranteed by Government. (I know because our Group bid for the work). In other words its being done to try and attract businesses etc because they are not locating to the region without the infrastructure.
The point is, small things like this only scratch the surface, it needs major investment over many years to regenerate properly. When a Government changes every 4 years the funding dries up or gets diverted. The beauty of European regen money is that its longer term and less impacted by national political decisions, so things stand a better chance of being done.
Not sure I agree with that, which development is stalled exactly? MEPC? Platform/City House? Merrion House? Victoria Gate? Innovation District? If your referring to the old Yorkshire Post and site adjacent, these are not 'stalled' but simply speculators of land waiting for values to go up and flip on a planning consent. Who is paying for the new railway station? Its central government and some private money with the return guaranteed by Government. (I know because our Group bid for the work). In other words its being done to try and attract businesses etc because they are not locating to the region without the infrastructure.
The point is, small things like this only scratch the surface, it needs major investment over many years to regenerate properly. When a Government changes every 4 years the funding dries up or gets diverted. The beauty of European regen money is that its longer term and less impacted by national political decisions, so things stand a better chance of being done.
Leedssurveyor said:
blueg33 said:
I go there regularly, whats more I invest in the area, I have two live developments in Leeds right now, land is dirt cheap but it only works for me because I have government backed income. The City centre is full of stalled developments.
Who is paying for the new railway station? Its central government and some private money with the return guaranteed by Government. (I know because our Group bid for the work). In other words its being done to try and attract businesses etc because they are not locating to the region without the infrastructure.
The point is, small things like this only scratch the surface, it needs major investment over many years to regenerate properly. When a Government changes every 4 years the funding dries up or gets diverted. The beauty of European regen money is that its longer term and less impacted by national political decisions, so things stand a better chance of being done.
Not sure I agree with that, which development is stalled exactly? MEPC? Platform/City House? Merrion House? Victoria Gate? Innovation District? If your referring to the old Yorkshire Post and site adjacent, these are not 'stalled' but simply speculators of land waiting for values to go up and flip on a planning consent. Who is paying for the new railway station? Its central government and some private money with the return guaranteed by Government. (I know because our Group bid for the work). In other words its being done to try and attract businesses etc because they are not locating to the region without the infrastructure.
The point is, small things like this only scratch the surface, it needs major investment over many years to regenerate properly. When a Government changes every 4 years the funding dries up or gets diverted. The beauty of European regen money is that its longer term and less impacted by national political decisions, so things stand a better chance of being done.
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