Client not paying......

[WinstonWolf]

singlecoil said:

WinstonWolf said:

The client doesn't own an aerial until they pay. It'll never go near a court if you simply unbolt it.

He certainly could go and do that, but it might well not get him the £5K. All she needs to do is to get somebody else in to replace the aerial and reconnect the plug on the equipment that she deliberately removed, pay him and the OP whistles for his money.

"Quite easy to remove without damaging property, or even just cut the cables, but I would like to option to re-instate them if she paid. "

That will get her attention.

[singlecoil]

WinstonWolf said:

singlecoil said:

WinstonWolf said:

The client doesn't own an aerial until they pay. It'll never go near a court if you simply unbolt it.

He certainly could go and do that, but it might well not get him the £5K. All she needs to do is to get somebody else in to replace the aerial and reconnect the plug on the equipment that she deliberately removed, pay him and the OP whistles for his money.

"Quite easy to remove without damaging property, or even just cut the cables, but I would like to option to re-instate them if she paid. "

That will get her attention.

It will certainly get her attention. Then she will have the choice of getting someone else in and pay him a couple of hundred quid, or the OP and pay him £5K. As we already know she doesn't want to pay him, I wonder which she will choose? Attention seeking doesn't always produce the desired sort of attention.

[WinstonWolf]

singlecoil said:

WinstonWolf said:

singlecoil said:

WinstonWolf said:

The client doesn't own an aerial until they pay. It'll never go near a court if you simply unbolt it.

He certainly could go and do that, but it might well not get him the £5K. All she needs to do is to get somebody else in to replace the aerial and reconnect the plug on the equipment that she deliberately removed, pay him and the OP whistles for his money.

"Quite easy to remove without damaging property, or even just cut the cables, but I would like to option to re-instate them if she paid. "

That will get her attention.

It will certainly get her attention. Then she will have the choice of getting someone else in and pay him a couple of hundred quid, or the OP and pay him £5K. As we already know she doesn't want to pay him, I wonder which she will choose? Attention seeking doesn't always produce the desired sort of attention.

It has always worked in my albeit limited experience. People always pay whoever makes the most noise...

[singlecoil]

WinstonWolf said:

It has always worked in my albeit limited experience. People always pay whoever makes the most noise...

She'll pay alright, but it won't be £5K...

[anonymous-user]

SC, what do you think the OP should do? You've been long on what you think he shouldn't do, but conspicuously short on what you think he should do...

[WinstonWolf]

Greg66 said:

SC, what do you think the OP should do? You've been long on what you think he shouldn't do, but conspicuously short on what you think he should do...

I'd be interested to hear SC's solution too.

[singlecoil]

Greg66 said:

SC, what do you think the OP should do? You've been long on what you think he shouldn't do, but conspicuously short on what you think he should do...

Small claims court, as soon as possible. My guess is he will get half. The judge won't know which of them is in the right and she will fight tooth and nail.

Alternatively, is she owns a horse he could make her an offer she can't refuse.

[-Pete-]

VEX, what did you install... I guess it's more than a TV aerial?

[VEX]

WHole house Tv and data network, £1000 pre install speaker and associated cabling, network cabinet and Tv distribution oh and a Tv & satellite do have rig!

Worth about £5.5k offer her £4K to get a deal and some money.

Giving her 7 days from today's email
Then solicitors letter, 7 days
Then Small Claims Court (with a copy sent to her to prove its serious)

Had a boss that used to do that with faxes, copy of form all filled out ready to send in sent to debtor, it got amazing results.

V.

[singlecoil]

singlecoil said:

Small claims court, as soon as possible. My guess is he will get half. The judge won't know which of them is in the right and she will fight tooth and nail.

Alternatively, is she owns a horse he could make her an offer she can't refuse.

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Thing with a CCJ is that he can then get High Court bailiffs (after an extra procedure) to enforce the judgment. Rather more effective than collection agencies.

[KevinCamaroSS]

singlecoil said:

Thing with a CCJ is that he can then get High Court bailiffs (after an extra procedure) to enforce the judgment. Rather more effective than collection agencies.

Only if she lets them in.

[Simpo Two]

singlecoil said:

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Thing with a CCJ is that he can then get High Court bailiffs (after an extra procedure) to enforce the judgment. Rather more effective than collection agencies.

Exactly. Why the Small Claims court post-judgement gives you 5 ineffective ways to get paid rather than the 1 that works is a mystery. I think the law needs to be changed so that CCJs are enforced by the State, like non-payment of council tax and driving offences so happily are.

[-Pete-]

VEX said:

Whole house Tv and data network, £1000 pre install speaker and associated cabling, network cabinet and Tv distribution oh and a Tv & satellite do have rig!

If you have the password for YOUR router, perhaps you could change it and enable remote management over the internet. Then you might be able to reconfigure YOUR connected devices which you supplied too... do any of them have password protection or timer/child locks?

After that, maybe YOUR router needs a firmware update? If you can force a full reset from the configuration pages the you could tftp the right firmware (don't load the wrong firmware by accident as it could brick the router).

And of course it would also be a shame if these high winds moved YOUR dish or aerial out of alignment. Good luck.

[singlecoil]

KevinCamaroSS said:

singlecoil said:

Thing with a CCJ is that he can then get High Court bailiffs (after an extra procedure) to enforce the judgment. Rather more effective than collection agencies.

Only if she lets them in.

I've had no dealings with them myself, but I am given to understand that they are effective. I expect they have ways of dealing with uncooperative debtors.

[Simpo Two]

singlecoil said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

singlecoil said:

Thing with a CCJ is that he can then get High Court bailiffs (after an extra procedure) to enforce the judgment. Rather more effective than collection agencies.

Only if she lets them in.

I've had no dealings with them myself, but I am given to understand that they are effective. I expect they have ways of dealing with uncooperative debtors.

Watch them on TV: 'The Sheriffs Are Coming', 'Can't Pay We'll Take It Away'. It's always fun when the screaming debtor calls the police - only to find the police are on the agents' side.

[nikaiyo2]

Personally I would go direct to a specialist, we use a company called https://www.nelsonslaw.co.uk/debt-collection-solic... who specialize in debt recovery. They are more switched on than the high st solicitors dealing with this type of thing. They give the non payer less wriggle room, especially those retail customers who pick masses of bizarre faults to delay/ reduce payment.

[KevinCamaroSS]

singlecoil said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

singlecoil said:

Thing with a CCJ is that he can then get High Court bailiffs (after an extra procedure) to enforce the judgment. Rather more effective than collection agencies.

Only if she lets them in.

I've had no dealings with them myself, but I am given to understand that they are effective. I expect they have ways of dealing with uncooperative debtors.

Very limited powers actually:

Dealing with bailiffs
You usually don’t have to open your door to a bailiff or let them in.

Bailiffs can’t enter your home:

by force, for example by pushing past you
if only children under 16 or vulnerable people (with disabilities, for example) are present
between 9pm and 6am
through anything except the door
Bailiffs are allowed to force their way into your home to collect unpaid criminal fines, Income Tax or Stamp Duty, but only as a last resort.

If you don’t let a bailiff in or agree to pay them:

they could take things from outside your home, for example your car
you could end up owing even more money

If you do let a bailiff in but don’t pay them they may take some of your belongings. They could sell the items to pay debts and cover their fees.

[singlecoil]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Stuff about bailiffs

Well, thanks for all that.

Thing is, if a CCJ and high court bailiffs are not enough to collect on a judgment, then I don't know what is, apart from extralegal procedures. Do you have an alternative to suggest?

[WinstonWolf]

singlecoil said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

Stuff about bailiffs

Well, thanks for all that.

Thing is, if a CCJ and high court bailiffs are not enough to collect on a judgment, then I don't know what is, apart from extralegal procedures. Do you have an alternative to suggest?

A company I used to work for used a firm from Liverpool, they succeed where no one else could. Did they operate within the law? I doubt it but they did what they were paid to do.

[mattdaniels]

VEX said:

Sent her an email this morning giving 7 days, put read receipt and delivery receipt on it.

Nothing back, not even a delivery receipt, so I guess it is straight to a solicitors letter!

It's worth sending a proper letter, using RM Special Delivery (not RM Recorded Delivery) so you can track it and know it's been delivered.

Email is unreliable plus you can turn off delivery and read receipts (I do on my system) so lack of receiving those receipts means nothing.