Time to change accounting software - SAGE?

Time to change accounting software - SAGE?

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VEIGHT

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2,362 posts

228 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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SME here currently using Opera which we don't like.

We have a CRM that integrates into our current package and lots of bespoke for pricing for clients, stock processing and also third parties for picking goods via barcodes etc. (so not straight forward).

Has anyone made the jump? I'd imagine it's a royal pain the arse however the new company would have experience switching companies I would hope.

ANY advice or experience welcome.


red_slr

17,217 posts

189 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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We use Sage (not as advanced as you) - its ok.

IRIS is another option?

remkingston

472 posts

147 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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What is your CRM system? Is it online based or on your local server?

Worth looking into how well the integrations work with your CRM first and to contact companies which have already made the same change as yourself.

Xero is a good alternative to Sage.
Quickbooks is supposed to be good too but we have an old version so can't give feedback on how the latest versions work.

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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How many people are using it?

I'd strongly recommend not to use Sage.

KevinCamaroSS

11,623 posts

280 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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jamoor said:
How many people are using it?

I'd strongly recommend not to use Sage.
On what grounds? Do not forget the posting rules.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

225 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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What do you not like about Opera?. A bit difficult to make suggestions with such limited information but from your description you will be looking at Sage 200 for the same capabilities as Opera. This is assuming you are using a Location / Bin setup for your stock control? Xero doesn't have that level of capability built in and neither does Sage 50.

Other products with equivalent functionality of Opera are IRIS Exchequer, SAP Bushiness One and Microsoft Dynamics. Unless you are on the largish side of medium then SAP is probably overkill.


Shirt587

360 posts

135 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
jamoor said:
How many people are using it?

I'd strongly recommend not to use Sage.
On what grounds? Do not forget the posting rules.
Having used Sage in a past life, if you want proper CRM interfacing you have to buy one of the top end versions, which is not cheap.

I do really like Sage50, it's one of the easiest packages to install and run for an SME, and pretty much every bookkeeper you ever employ will know how to use it. I personally think their bigger packages tend to the excessively complex and not particularly simple to customise.

It sounds like the OP has got his business/operational side sorted and just needs something to handle all the back end finance stuff. Sage could almost certainly do this, but there are cheaper options there... Xero is worth a look, IMO.

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
On what grounds? Do not forget the posting rules.
Everything.


andyb28

765 posts

118 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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VEIGHT said:
SME here currently using Opera which we don't like.

We have a CRM that integrates into our current package and lots of bespoke for pricing for clients, stock processing and also third parties for picking goods via barcodes etc. (so not straight forward).

Has anyone made the jump? I'd imagine it's a royal pain the arse however the new company would have experience switching companies I would hope.

ANY advice or experience welcome.
One of our customers has done exactly what you intend to do.
They had a lot of custom parts provided within Opera and the system costs had become very expensive in licencing and maintenance.

We looked at a number of systems with them and in the end, Sage was the best option.
Anything that Sage didn't provide, we either wrote them something bespoke for, or if there was a 3rd party solution, that was purchased.

I will re-iterate, whilst it was a scary process with lots of resistance from creatures of habit, the savings to the business were HUGE!

If you need any advice, you are more than welcome to get in touch.

VEIGHT

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2,362 posts

228 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Thanks very much for the advice.

Opera is great for certain things and if you have a good understanding of accounts it's great. From a user friendly point of view it's not the best and the support system is not as good as I would want. Sage appeals as there is so much info out there.

Issues with current provider is, length of time it takes to do a period end, timing issues, nothing balances unless it's done at a split second snapshot along with a load of other stuff, Credit management is so slow is unusable and things like balance sheets or P7L have to be programmed each time you add a new ledger code / account.

A lot of it is a lack of training which is extremely expensive so wondering if something we can understand more easily it might save me in the long run.

I would love to have a chat with anyone that has made this move - esp if there is a cost saving.


jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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VEIGHT said:
Thanks very much for the advice.

Opera is great for certain things and if you have a good understanding of accounts it's great. From a user friendly point of view it's not the best and the support system is not as good as I would want. Sage appeals as there is so much info out there.

Issues with current provider is, length of time it takes to do a period end, timing issues, nothing balances unless it's done at a split second snapshot along with a load of other stuff, Credit management is so slow is unusable and things like balance sheets or P7L have to be programmed each time you add a new ledger code / account.

A lot of it is a lack of training which is extremely expensive so wondering if something we can understand more easily it might save me in the long run.

I would love to have a chat with anyone that has made this move - esp if there is a cost saving.
In that case try to find an accounting package whose training consists of a bunch of YouTube videos,I think xero does this, they are user friendly by design and don't intend to make money from you via training

plasticpig

12,932 posts

225 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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jamoor said:
In that case try to find an accounting package whose training consists of a bunch of YouTube videos,I think xero does this, they are user friendly by design and don't intend to make money from you via training
Xero inventory management is a joke though. So that's at least one add on required.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

225 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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VEIGHT said:
Thanks very much for the advice.

Opera is great for certain things and if you have a good understanding of accounts it's great. From a user friendly point of view it's not the best and the support system is not as good as I would want. Sage appeals as there is so much info out there.

Issues with current provider is, length of time it takes to do a period end, timing issues, nothing balances unless it's done at a split second snapshot along with a load of other stuff, Credit management is so slow is unusable and things like balance sheets or P7L have to be programmed each time you add a new ledger code / account.

A lot of it is a lack of training which is extremely expensive so wondering if something we can understand more easily it might save me in the long run.

I would love to have a chat with anyone that has made this move - esp if there is a cost saving.
I take it you are not using open period accounting? Also are you using the Foxpro database version or the SQL server version?




VEIGHT

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2,362 posts

228 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Nope, period ends.

Not sure on the second question. Foxpro rings a bell....

jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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plasticpig said:
Xero inventory management is a joke though. So that's at least one add on required.
Dear is good.
Cin7 is hard to understand intially.


It makes sense to get addons, let a company that focuses on inventory do the inventory and accounts on accounts


Otherwise you end up with the mess that is sage.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

225 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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VEIGHT said:
Nope, period ends.

Not sure on the second question. Foxpro rings a bell....
Are you using Opera 3 or 2? As you have said already I think some of your problems are down to training and some others may be down to poor implementation support from the Pegasus partner. Maybe worthwhile approaching a different Pegasus partner than your current one before jumping to a new system. I can't recommend any as I haven't had dealings with any Opera partners for a few years.





Eric Mc

121,958 posts

265 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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Bear in mind that whatever you buy, you must factor in that the software you use MUST eventually be compatible with the HMRC Making Tax Digital (MTD) requirements from 1 April 2018 (if a sole trader/partnership) or 1 April 2020 (if a limited company).

The problem is that none of the current software packages are really ready for MTD, even though some - such as Xero - are pretending they are. Iris are being more honest in saying that they will release a compatible set of packages once they know exactly what HMRC will require under MTD.

With just over one year to go before it becomes compulsory, HMRC have still not decided on all the criteria - either legal or technical.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

225 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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jamoor said:
Dear is good.
Cin7 is hard to understand intially.


It makes sense to get addons, let a company that focuses on inventory do the inventory and accounts on accounts


Otherwise you end up with the mess that is sage.
What worries me about third party addons is when it comes to doing things like a stock to nominal reconciliation. That can prove tricky even with a tightly integrated system let alone a third party add on.


jamoor

14,506 posts

215 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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plasticpig said:
What worries me about third party addons is when it comes to doing things like a stock to nominal reconciliation. That can prove tricky even with a tightly integrated system let alone a third party add on.
You can give all of this a trial for a couple of weeks without commitment.

Just sign up and see how it works, they usually have demo data too.

TwistingMyMelon

6,385 posts

205 months

Friday 24th February 2017
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We run an older version of Sage50 2014, not sure if that differs much from current version

Pretty good and solid

However every 8 months or so a line of data corrupts, which isn't fixable in the software, but flagged by the data checker. We then have to send the data off to a independent Sage contractor who fixes it (in SQL I think) and sends it back corrected. Seems to happen every year on the dot and is a known weakness in software, in fact I think the guy we use makes a living out of fixing just one error. Sage themselves offer to "fix" the data for 3 x the cost and 3 x the wait!!!



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