Turning huge Garage to Photgraphic Studio help

Turning huge Garage to Photgraphic Studio help

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Good Plan Ted

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1,997 posts

232 months

Monday 22nd April
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Thinking of changing huge high ceiling/triple garage to photographic studio...will I need planning (nothing changing) or tell anyone council ? especially at the start and any tips?

dundarach

5,060 posts

229 months

Monday 22nd April
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I would check everything as I'm risk adverse, so for me it'd be:

1. Can I run a business from a home address
2. Insurance
3. Planning
4. Insurance

You might need change of use and without that I'd worry about not having insurance if anything goes wrong.

I expect it'll be simple to sort both out, but don't risk anything, not sure why you would.

https://www.gov.uk/run-business-from-home

clockworks

5,374 posts

146 months

Monday 22nd April
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The number of visitors could be an issue for neighbours.

Getting house insurance that allows a home business can be tricky/expensive. Most home insurers will only cover office/admin use.
I use 2 spare bedrooms for my business, with a proper business insurance policy to cover customer goods and public liability. To get home insurance, I had to go to a broker, and pay 3 times as much.
I don't even have customers coming into my house.

StevieBee

12,927 posts

256 months

Monday 22nd April
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Is this for business or just a hobby?

Providing everything is contained within the existing structure, there's no official planning requirement.

Most important thing to keep in check is moisture. Garages are generally designed to keep your car safe and little else. They are not the hermetically sealed boxes that houses are. So keeping gear in there in the winter is not recommended (I made the mistake of storing my old DJ gear in the garage and suffered no end of failures due to corrosion and damp). So a heater for winter and air-con for summer is a must.

Needs to be sealed for draughts too. If you're setting up a delicate shot, you don't want and errant draft to disrupt what your doing.

Photo and Video is a big part of my business and have been mulling over the idea of creating studio that I can use and also hire out. To create something viable, you actually need a space far bigger than you might imagine. You need a lot of depth to give photographers the latitude on lens use. And a lot of height to accommodate lighting. Large, flat LED panels are common but some shots require them angled which is going to be difficult in a single-storey garage. And that's before you start looking at things like infinity curves and green-screens.

I used to use my garage for video but had an issues with noise. Birds on the roof scrabbling around the chippings, wind (and not just me!). You'd be surprised at how noisy a garage is when you need it to be quiet.

I have in my mind some interesting Victorian warehouse with big windows and vaulted ceilings in a 'Creative Quarter' somewhere. But until such time as such an opportunity presents itself, I'll keep using the local village hall. £60 a day! smile

Edited by StevieBee on Monday 22 April 08:29

MustangGT

11,641 posts

281 months

Monday 22nd April
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StevieBee said:
Is this for business or just a hobby?

Providing everything is contained within the existing structure, there's no official planning requirement.
First question surely governs the answer to the planning permission? To set up a commercial photography business would likely need change of use from dwelling. Potential also for change in council tax/rates as well?

StevieBee

12,927 posts

256 months

Monday 22nd April
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MustangGT said:
StevieBee said:
Is this for business or just a hobby?

Providing everything is contained within the existing structure, there's no official planning requirement.
First question surely governs the answer to the planning permission? To set up a commercial photography business would likely need change of use from dwelling. Potential also for change in council tax/rates as well?
Possibly.

Much would depend on the scale of operation. Not all photography is alike so not all photo studios are alike.

If it's a case of something for family portraits and the like, then it's unlikely to fall within the need for planning. I know several photographers that do this very type of thing, either in garages, rooms in the house or garden office type buildings and fall under the normal 'working from home' rules.

If you're photographing machinery or stuff that needs shipping in on trucks and need a crew and all that goes with that, then that would require a different approach to the classification of intent.


covmutley

3,028 posts

191 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Doesn't result in an overall change of use from residential? Thst will depend, and its tricky to say where the balance lies. Personal use for a hobby is no problem. As would be using it as your place of work. It's typically if you start having multiple deliveries or clients turning up each day that changes the character of the residential use that permission would be required.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Wednesday 24th April
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And be aware that there could be Capital Gains Tax issues when the property is eventually sold - especially if the conversion is for business purposes.

Simpo Two

85,526 posts

266 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Eric Mc said:
And be aware that there could be Capital Gains Tax issues when the property is eventually sold - especially if the conversion is for business purposes.
Convert it back to a garage?

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th April
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Or anything non-business - like a spare bedroom.

However, the cost of doing that might exceed the Capital Gains Tax arising if you left it alone.

You would have to do some number crunching to work out what the best option.

Simpo Two

85,526 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th April
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Eric Mc said:
Or anything non-business - like a spare bedroom.

However, the cost of doing that might exceed the Capital Gains Tax arising if you left it alone.

You would have to do some number crunching to work out what the best option.
There's nothing expensive about turning a room or garage into a studio, all you need is basically a big white box. Infinity coves, if you need them, can be made from cardboard or coving. It's the lighting and related kit which costs the money and you'd take that onto the next place.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th April
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Like many things tax related, HMRC depends on people being up front and honest about their circumstances.

Even if the room was converted back, it might still be subject to a Capital Gains Tax as CGT is also a "time related" and "useage" tax.

Simpo Two

85,526 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th April
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Eric Mc said:
Like many things tax related, HMRC depends on people being up front and honest about their circumstances.
I suspect that the higher the tax rates go up, the less up front and honest they tend to be...!

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th April
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It certainly becomes more attractive to be a bit more "economical with the truth".

Simpo Two

85,526 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th April
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Eric Mc said:
It certainly becomes more attractive to be a bit more "economical with the truth".
Not sure if it's an urban myth but I heard that when Nigel Lawson cut taxes back in the '80s, the amount collected went up.

Mr Whippy

29,058 posts

242 months

Friday 26th April
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The CGT on a garage would easily be offset by the gear depreciation going into it.

Let’s be honest and just say it’ll all be fine but if you want to do it all by the book it’ll also be fine, just lots of paperwork and cost neutrality because you’ll be able to claim for as much extra as you’re charged.


Like most stuff some clarity on intention makes it easier to offer solid advice as this is all a bit vague.

Ie, are you doing portraits, or video, corporate, hire outs, tons of visitors a day, blah blah blah.