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Hi all, not new to the site, but fairly new to posting, so please bear with me. I work for a transport company as a manager and have done for the past 11 years. Two years ago the bosses son started work for the company and has become my worst nightmare, for one he hasn't really got a clue what he is on about and takes the greatest of pleasure in trying to drop me right in the mire as it were, unsucessfully i might add and is basically a lazy uninterested little git. He will completely bypass me and go straight to the boss, which infuriates me no end as that is my job, and he is the most ignorant little git, 3 days ago it was nearly 3 hours after he arrived that he muttered his first words to me (arrived at 9.45) when i'd been in since 6.45. Anyway i'm thinking of leaving it until after christmas and setting up on my own. I have approx £10,000 which really is small change, i do however know all the right people from where to get work etc etc without actually interfering in the companies business that i would leave. I do however have a really good relationship with my boss who to be honest is like a best mate, and i am paid a staggering salary for what i do and have the freedom to do pretty much what i like, so the question would be what do i do? Advice Greatly Appreciated. Many many thanks in advance!
My Wife is not in a too dissimilar predicament than yours. She works as a Clinical Specialist in elderly mental health for the NHS. She comes home either very angry or in tears. Not because of the Patients, clients or whatever euphemism is todays flavour! It's the staff!! some are great, others are inept workshy loafers. Who she can't get rid off. (In the NHS attempted murder isnt even enough to get you the sack!)
BUT she is extremely well paid. So my advice (also as someone who runs a private company). Is kick back, Relax, and take his money!
My wife although it goes 'against the grain' is begining to do just that.
BUT she is extremely well paid. So my advice (also as someone who runs a private company). Is kick back, Relax, and take his money!
My wife although it goes 'against the grain' is begining to do just that.
Edited by Robbed666 on Saturday 24th November 22:31
Check that any contract you may have does not have a non-compete clause which might affect you starting up..
Have a frank talk with your boss about the way you feel and the fact that you have considered leaving due to the stress caused by the sons attitude at work. If the son is supposed to be your subordinate then this might be the time to be frank and say that you would sack him if you could... Well liked members of time-served staff who start work at 6:45am and are good at their job should be looked after by intelligent bosses - I hope you have one of these types of boss.. Hopefully your boss will share the view that the son is a bit of a waster who has had a sheltered life and will relieve you of the burdon somehow.
Don't over estimate which customers will come with you within the first year or two.. depending on the type of work, your customers will have the choice of your previous stable employer, or yourself - a brand new startup comapany with possibly no premesis and staff. It would be very easy for you to go bust and for your customers will probably be aware of this risk.
Have a frank talk with your boss about the way you feel and the fact that you have considered leaving due to the stress caused by the sons attitude at work. If the son is supposed to be your subordinate then this might be the time to be frank and say that you would sack him if you could... Well liked members of time-served staff who start work at 6:45am and are good at their job should be looked after by intelligent bosses - I hope you have one of these types of boss.. Hopefully your boss will share the view that the son is a bit of a waster who has had a sheltered life and will relieve you of the burdon somehow.
Don't over estimate which customers will come with you within the first year or two.. depending on the type of work, your customers will have the choice of your previous stable employer, or yourself - a brand new startup comapany with possibly no premesis and staff. It would be very easy for you to go bust and for your customers will probably be aware of this risk.
Edited by TurricanII on Saturday 24th November 22:40
I do have the type of boss that you are referring to, however as the saying goes blood is thicker than water! I have no contract that implies anything to do with me setting up on my own or working for a competitor. However i have no intention of trying to disrupt my employers business or taking work from it, i know for a fact that i could easily make my salay by working for myself and work much less hours and have a lot more time for my young family (i work approx 60-70 hours per week) and hope fully have a better standard of living, the question would be how long would it be before i could expect to start drawing a salary as the £10,000 i have would probably last me around the 6 month mark? Thanks for both the replies btw!
Edited by l331976 on Saturday 24th November 23:07
If you are happy with the ethics, could you stay at work, reduce your pace as suggested by Robbed666, maybe try to rearrange your job such that you can work Saturdays or take a pay cut and have one weekday off instead, start your own business on the side employing a minimum wage/cheap delivery driver?
You get the security of having your job and the potential to grow your own business enough that you could leave your job to work for yourself full time. No sense killing yourself with 60-70 hours a week for someone elses profit.
You get the security of having your job and the potential to grow your own business enough that you could leave your job to work for yourself full time. No sense killing yourself with 60-70 hours a week for someone elses profit.
Talking to your boss is essential. It might be that he too thinks his son is a waste of time and he's given him the job to try and improve him. If the boss values you and your relationship is as good as you think, he'll be willing to listen to you, as he won't want to lose you (yet).
On the other hand, you need to cover your ass, as it were. I know you've bucket loads of experience, but ensuring you have a papertrail/back up of every conversation/action taken will, of course, ensure you get out of the mire if and when you get dropped in it.
In terms of setting up on your own, it's a massive decision, but I would say go for it. I'd take an extended period to plan (and research) for it though, possibly as much as a year. Whatever you do, don't underestimate costs, and the length of time it'll take you to get paid. Whatever your figures are, they'll be more than you think, except profits!! It's pessimistic, but will ensure you keep firm control of costs etc.
What area of transport are you intending working in?
On the other hand, you need to cover your ass, as it were. I know you've bucket loads of experience, but ensuring you have a papertrail/back up of every conversation/action taken will, of course, ensure you get out of the mire if and when you get dropped in it.
In terms of setting up on your own, it's a massive decision, but I would say go for it. I'd take an extended period to plan (and research) for it though, possibly as much as a year. Whatever you do, don't underestimate costs, and the length of time it'll take you to get paid. Whatever your figures are, they'll be more than you think, except profits!! It's pessimistic, but will ensure you keep firm control of costs etc.
What area of transport are you intending working in?
Bus / cosch industry. Hitman sounds promising !!
To be honest i see the writing on the wall, i mean at the end of the day he is obviously the natural successsor to the business, so where would that leave me in 5 years time anyway, if i go now whilst i'm still youngish then i think i have more to offer to my business in terms of time and energy. Big thanks for all the replies, keep them coming
To be honest i see the writing on the wall, i mean at the end of the day he is obviously the natural successsor to the business, so where would that leave me in 5 years time anyway, if i go now whilst i'm still youngish then i think i have more to offer to my business in terms of time and energy. Big thanks for all the replies, keep them coming
l331976 said:
Bus / cosch industry. Hitman sounds promising !!
To be honest i see the writing on the wall, i mean at the end of the day he is obviously the natural successsor to the business, so where would that leave me in 5 years time anyway, if i go now whilst i'm still youngish then i think i have more to offer to my business in terms of time and energy. Big thanks for all the replies, keep them coming
Where are you based Lee?To be honest i see the writing on the wall, i mean at the end of the day he is obviously the natural successsor to the business, so where would that leave me in 5 years time anyway, if i go now whilst i'm still youngish then i think i have more to offer to my business in terms of time and energy. Big thanks for all the replies, keep them coming
I'm in Kent and interested in getting involved in bus and coach services. Maybe you could look at organising the purchase of one of your firms smaller competitors?
If you can find a local business owner that's looking to retire with a small fleet, you could perhaps organise an earn out for the vendor... That way your not borrowing so much money and it gives you an opportunity to have some existing business and goodwill to then improve on.
That's what we did with the Taxi firm. In less than a year we have paid off the vendor, and most of our other costs and are in a position to look at taking over competitors or leveraging our position to aggressively take their market share. It can be a lower risk option than a cold start if you choose your purchase carefully.
Whatever you decide to do, best of luck
Perhaps you could approach this in a more subtle way. Ask your boss whether he wants you to treat his son as any other employee, or whether he would like you to give him any special treatment. It's very likely that he'll say the former, but at least you know where the land lies without dropping yourself in it.
If he asks why, the door is open to explain how his son is behaving in a way that makes it look like he expects special treatment (i.e. no blame, just your interpretation of the situation). Then take it from there.
If he asks why, the door is open to explain how his son is behaving in a way that makes it look like he expects special treatment (i.e. no blame, just your interpretation of the situation). Then take it from there.
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