buy or lease a vehicle

buy or lease a vehicle

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JeffC

Original Poster:

1,690 posts

213 months

Friday 18th January 2008
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Mate of mine needs a pick up for work and wants a L200 warrior double cab , He has found a deal for a new one for £229 +vat per month over 3 years then he hands it back at the end of the term. the vehicle will be paid for through his business (ltd co) , Looking at figures comparing to buy one outright rather than lease with depreciation etc I would think it will depreciate as much aswhat is costs to lease for three years so much of a muchness, but from a business / tax point of view which would be the best way to do this, buy outright, buy but finance it through business or lease it.

thanks in advance.

grumbledoak

31,548 posts

234 months

Friday 18th January 2008
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Companies tend to like 'sell and lease back' to free up capital, though they pay more overall (else the rental company would fold) they make money with the cash. Individuals choose to lease if they don't have the cash, or think it is simpler to let someone else own and service.

What would his company do with the cash otherwise?

Eric Mc

122,058 posts

266 months

Friday 18th January 2008
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Is this vehicle classified as a "car" or a "commercial vehicle" for Benefit in Kind, Capital Allowances and VAT purposes?

taffyracer

2,093 posts

244 months

Friday 18th January 2008
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I lease all my vans for ease of purchase and I know they'll stay for 3 years, 90,000 miles, saves having to find large deposits, but I buy all the cars

JeffC

Original Poster:

1,690 posts

213 months

Saturday 19th January 2008
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It will be a comercial vehicle for deliveries etc. He normally buys his vehicles but at £229 + vat leasing looked as cost effective.
over 3 years he will have paid out just short of £10k but he will get £1500 ish in vat back , we wondering what tax would be reclaimable .

Eric Mc

122,058 posts

266 months

Saturday 19th January 2008
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Tax relief on leased vehicles is VERY different to tax relief on owned vehicles ("owned" vehicles includes vehicles purchased using a bank loan or a HP - but NOT a finance lease).

If the vehicle is leased, the tax treatment depends on the nature of the lease.

If it is a simple rental agreement (Operating Lease), the business obtains tax relief by merely charging the full monthly rental costs to the business profit and loss account. That's it - nothing more to do.

If it is a Lease Hire arrangement/Contract Hire/Finance Lease, the vehicle is capitalised in the balance sheet as a fixed asset and the capital element of the finance is posted to the balance sheet as a liability - very similar to the way a HP agreement is treated in actual fact.

The only element charged to the profit and loss account is the finance cost element (not the capital element) of the monthly leasing payments.
The Revenue, unusually, allow the normal Depreciation charge on the leased asset to be claimed as a legitimate tax deductable expense. It is the only situation where they allow accounting style Depreciation as a tax deductable cost.
The business CANNOT claim any Capital Allowances on this asset as the asset is still owned by the leasing company and they will be making the Capital Allowances claims.

The differences between owned and leased vehicles is going to become even more important after 31 March (for companies) or 5 April (for sole traders/partnerships). Owned assets (including those financed by HP or bank loans) will be elligible for 100% write off in the year of purchase. This very useful capital allowance will not be available on a leased vehicle (at least, not to the business using the asset).
There are some restrictions on the new rules - the maximum claim is £50,000 per annum and the relief is available only to "small" businesses. I'm not sure how they define "small" in this case but I'm sure that the vast bulk of one man band operators will qualify.