Promotion Salary Increase

[TimDarracott]

I'm a little miffed after just having recieved my contract for a promotion.

They have offered me 1.5k PA more than what i earn at the moment, however the bottom wage for the position i'm moving into is 4.5k PA more than what i earn currently PA.

Now as part of the deal i'm going to receive training but i think 1.5k is a bit of a kick in the teeth.

Am i within my rights to question the low increase? Before i sign anything i want to see what provisions of training they have in place for me at least.

Any help appreciated?

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

You can always question, in a positive & sensible way. If that don't work, maybe a six month review or performance bonus?

[dr matt uk]

Seems harsh. If you are moving into a Band x job, you should be on a Band x salary grade.

I'd just point out the facts as they are and ask for some clarity.

[Elan159]

Definately question it now and see if you can negotiate a better deal. It'll be a lot harder to make up the ground once you're in the new role.

[Vee]

I'd push for the higher salary now and say that £1.5k offered feels like a kick in the teeth.
If they have to recruit for the role they'll probably have to wait for the new person to work their notice and also have to spend time recruiting.
If your good enough for the job they should pay you accordingly.
If you accept as it stands you'll always resent it imo.

[edb49]

Perhaps they're testing the water, and giving you some time to get up to speed? E.G. perhaps they don't think you make the grade yet, but want to give you the opportunity?

[TimDarracott]

They offered the job externally and interviewed a handful of people for it. When i was offered the position i was told that they couldn't find anyone better than me for the role. I myself went through the same interview/testing process as the external candidates.

I am very happy to have been given the opportunity but i value myself more than what they have offered. Being honest had they have offered me the same wage wise in my current role (Just finished 12 months service) i would of told them it wasn't good enough either.

They may think i'm a push over when it comes to money as i took a wage cut when i started 12 months ago and didn't push for money, this time however it's a little different.

Thanks for the advice guys!

[boycieboy]

TimDarracott said:

They offered the job externally and interviewed a handful of people for it. When i was offered the position i was told that they couldn't find anyone better than me for the role. I myself went through the same interview/testing process as the external candidates.

If they have set a minimum wage for a grade, then thats what they have to go by.

I had a similar thing when I was promoted, so I pointed out the information on minimum salary for the grade (I'm sure they test to see if you know about it!) then manage to push them over that using a similar point to yours above (best candidate for the role etc)

So my advice is to point out the minimum and then use the fact that you are the best for the role to push them above it

[JustinP1]

TimDarracott said:

They offered the job externally and interviewed a handful of people for it. When i was offered the position i was told that they couldn't find anyone better than me for the role. I myself went through the same interview/testing process as the external candidates.

I am very happy to have been given the opportunity but i value myself more than what they have offered. Being honest had they have offered me the same wage wise in my current role (Just finished 12 months service) i would of told them it wasn't good enough either.

They may think i'm a push over when it comes to money as i took a wage cut when i started 12 months ago and didn't push for money, this time however it's a little different.

Thanks for the advice guys!

A couple of points here, from an employers point of view.

Firstly, you will be hard pushed to find someone who DOESNT think they are worth more than what they are getting.

Secondly, reading between the lines, as you said your employer could not find a better candidate for the job - there may have been a candidate or two who were equal, but maybe the selling point to them was that the rate the other candidates wanted was higher?

Overall this comes down to economics. The 'going rate' for the job comes down to supply, demand and cost. They will want to fill the role with the best they can for the budget, and where employees are otherwise equal the cheaper option. You will of course want the most money for your work.

If there are already pay grades set, you should mention this to them straight away. It may be the case they were happy to pay that amount, but were trying to save a few grand.

If you don't ask, you don't get.

[srebbe64]

The longer you leave it the more difficult it will get. If you go in on Monday and say that you've been thinking about it over the weekend and you'd like to talk further about the package - that will be deemed as reasonable in my view.

Just one other point. If your PH name is your real name then it only takes a Google by your employer and this thread will be available for all to see.

[TimDarracott]

I'm sure my employer wouldn't mind me seeking advice, i haven't mentioned any names and they'll find all this out on Monday morning. I would hope management don't spend their weekends googling emploees, hehehe!

I understand that most value themselves more than they are worth, but like you say if you don't ask you don't get.

[hornetrider]

In your situation I would speak to the individual concerned regarding the package offered, seek clarification and also let them know you were hoping for a more substantial increase. As has been said, if you don't ask, you don't get, and there's nothing wrong with asking, within reason!

[TimDarracott]

Just had a quick chat to my line manager who assured me that once training had been completed my salary would be lifted into the band for the role.

Which i guess is understandable.

So it's time to get my head down, work hard and reap the benefits in the future.

I can't say i'm totally happy as i would have still liked a little more money but hopefully the formal and on the job training will open up avenues otherwise not available for me in the future.

Gives me more of an incentive to make pocket money out of work as well

[srebbe64]

TimDarracott said:

Just had a quick chat to my line manager who assured me that once training had been completed my salary would be lifted into the band for the role.

Which i guess is understandable.

So it's time to get my head down, work hard and reap the benefits in the future.

I can't say i'm totally happy as i would have still liked a little more money but hopefully the formal and on the job training will open up avenues otherwise not available for me in the future.

Gives me more of an incentive to make pocket money out of work as well

Can I suggest you drop him an email confirming that conversation.

[JustinP1]

srebbe64 said:

TimDarracott said:

Just had a quick chat to my line manager who assured me that once training had been completed my salary would be lifted into the band for the role.

Which i guess is understandable.

So it's time to get my head down, work hard and reap the benefits in the future.

I can't say i'm totally happy as i would have still liked a little more money but hopefully the formal and on the job training will open up avenues otherwise not available for me in the future.

Gives me more of an incentive to make pocket money out of work as well

Can I suggest you drop him an email confirming that conversation.

I was just about to say that.

Something as vague as that is very easy to go back on or reduce the scope in six months time. If you have it in writing, even if it is you confirming what is said and you can show the notes of the conversation, it is a lot easier to 'prove' your case should the situation change.

[hornetrider]

Echo the above. If you have performance reviews with defined goals then it should be included. Perhaps agree to have an official review in 6 months.

[TimDarracott]

Thanks guys, time to get some clarification then!

Let it be known that i don't officially start in this role until April 1st.