Tenant - Water Meter Installation - Help Please
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As a landlord I would have no problems with a tenant fitting a water metre.
At home, just me and the wife, following a fitting of a metre, we made considerable savings on water and sewage charges, with our last 6 months bill being £46.24 and sewage 62.99.
Since water rates usually relate to Council Tax charges, with my Council Tax being only just under £3k, you can see just how much I am saving on my water bills.
As a landlord, I try very hard to encourage long term tenancies, having some tenants for over 5 years, so granting permission for a water metre goes some way to that end.
At home, just me and the wife, following a fitting of a metre, we made considerable savings on water and sewage charges, with our last 6 months bill being £46.24 and sewage 62.99.
Since water rates usually relate to Council Tax charges, with my Council Tax being only just under £3k, you can see just how much I am saving on my water bills.
As a landlord, I try very hard to encourage long term tenancies, having some tenants for over 5 years, so granting permission for a water metre goes some way to that end.
I am a landlord my tennant of 5 years has changed to a water meter without my knowledge, below is a copy of the response back from DWR Cymru (welsh water)
"Section 11 of the Water Industry Act 1999 introduced new rights for tenants in relation to metering. As a result, as long as the tenancy agreement is for more than six months then the tenant does not need the landlords permission before a meter can be fitted. This means that landlords are unable to impose conditions on either the tenant or the statutory water undertaker requiring that the meter be removed on termination of the tenancy. The meter remains the property of Dwr Cymru to be used for charging for water services in the future.
Once a meter is fitted the customer has up to 12 months to decide to revert back to the previous unmeasured basis of changing. As the meter was fitted on 23 May 2008, this option no longer applies."
So from the horses mouth ...as to speak, I have no choice but to live with it.
"Section 11 of the Water Industry Act 1999 introduced new rights for tenants in relation to metering. As a result, as long as the tenancy agreement is for more than six months then the tenant does not need the landlords permission before a meter can be fitted. This means that landlords are unable to impose conditions on either the tenant or the statutory water undertaker requiring that the meter be removed on termination of the tenancy. The meter remains the property of Dwr Cymru to be used for charging for water services in the future.
Once a meter is fitted the customer has up to 12 months to decide to revert back to the previous unmeasured basis of changing. As the meter was fitted on 23 May 2008, this option no longer applies."
So from the horses mouth ...as to speak, I have no choice but to live with it.
Blimey - Theres a lot of anger here. And all over a simple meter.
Additionly a lot of people here claim to be landlords - If they are, I hope they act calmer towards their tennets than on this site.
I really can't stand the attitude that 'I'm the landlord - It's my house and I can do what I want'.
It's not.
If you rent a house, it's no longer 'Yours'. For the time they have a contract and pay rent it is in essence someone else's home. If you have a problem with that idea, then you shouldn't rent out a place.
As for the water meter idea, this simple paragraph end's all issue:
Tenants
All these new rights are available to tenants as they are to other water
customers. Landlords may not use tenancy agreements to stop tenants who
pay their own water bills from choosing their method of charging.
Additionly a lot of people here claim to be landlords - If they are, I hope they act calmer towards their tennets than on this site.
I really can't stand the attitude that 'I'm the landlord - It's my house and I can do what I want'.
It's not.
If you rent a house, it's no longer 'Yours'. For the time they have a contract and pay rent it is in essence someone else's home. If you have a problem with that idea, then you shouldn't rent out a place.
As for the water meter idea, this simple paragraph end's all issue:
Tenants
All these new rights are available to tenants as they are to other water
customers. Landlords may not use tenancy agreements to stop tenants who
pay their own water bills from choosing their method of charging.
Liam359 said:
Blimey - Theres a lot of anger here. And all over a simple meter.
Additionly a lot of people here claim to be landlords - If they are, I hope they act calmer towards their tennets than on this site.
I really can't stand the attitude that 'I'm the landlord - It's my house and I can do what I want'.
It's not.
If you rent a house, it's no longer 'Yours'. For the time they have a contract and pay rent it is in essence someone else's home. If you have a problem with that idea, then you shouldn't rent out a place.
As for the water meter idea, this simple paragraph end's all issue:
Tenants
All these new rights are available to tenants as they are to other water
customers. Landlords may not use tenancy agreements to stop tenants who
pay their own water bills from choosing their method of charging.
Thread resurrection for that? Where is that tard of the year thread...Additionly a lot of people here claim to be landlords - If they are, I hope they act calmer towards their tennets than on this site.
I really can't stand the attitude that 'I'm the landlord - It's my house and I can do what I want'.
It's not.
If you rent a house, it's no longer 'Yours'. For the time they have a contract and pay rent it is in essence someone else's home. If you have a problem with that idea, then you shouldn't rent out a place.
As for the water meter idea, this simple paragraph end's all issue:
Tenants
All these new rights are available to tenants as they are to other water
customers. Landlords may not use tenancy agreements to stop tenants who
pay their own water bills from choosing their method of charging.
fergywales said:
Liam359 said:
Blimey - Theres a lot of anger here. And all over a simple meter.
Additionly a lot of people here claim to be landlords - If they are, I hope they act calmer towards their tennets than on this site.
I really can't stand the attitude that 'I'm the landlord - It's my house and I can do what I want'.
It's not.
If you rent a house, it's no longer 'Yours'. For the time they have a contract and pay rent it is in essence someone else's home. If you have a problem with that idea, then you shouldn't rent out a place.
As for the water meter idea, this simple paragraph end's all issue:
Tenants
All these new rights are available to tenants as they are to other water
customers. Landlords may not use tenancy agreements to stop tenants who
pay their own water bills from choosing their method of charging.
Thread resurrection for that? Where is that tard of the year thread...Additionly a lot of people here claim to be landlords - If they are, I hope they act calmer towards their tennets than on this site.
I really can't stand the attitude that 'I'm the landlord - It's my house and I can do what I want'.
It's not.
If you rent a house, it's no longer 'Yours'. For the time they have a contract and pay rent it is in essence someone else's home. If you have a problem with that idea, then you shouldn't rent out a place.
As for the water meter idea, this simple paragraph end's all issue:
Tenants
All these new rights are available to tenants as they are to other water
customers. Landlords may not use tenancy agreements to stop tenants who
pay their own water bills from choosing their method of charging.
I just won't bother...
As this thread has been resurrected I thought I would give you an update. Landlord agreed to reduce my rent by half of the water bill on the understanding I will not fit a meter. Thereby costing himself £200+ a year rather than allow the fitting of a free meter. That's fine by me although I think him a bit daft....
Kevin VRs said:
As this thread has been resurrected I thought I would give you an update. Landlord agreed to reduce my rent by half of the water bill on the understanding I will not fit a meter. Thereby costing himself £200+ a year rather than allow the fitting of a free meter. That's fine by me although I think him a bit daft....
Not being nosey, but what is that as a % of your annual rent? If cost outweighs the potential future loss, that'll be why they've decided to do this.Gassing Station | Business | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff