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pherlopolus said:
Hainey said:
Only 700 lumens. So it's more about t
tting someone over the head than it is about light output.
It is plenty bright enough to for my intended purpose of walking up and down railway lines and stations at night, with added benefit of being fairly hefty if I come across anyone who shouldn't be there. It will be plenty bright enough to disorientate if pointed in face to. tting someone over the head than it is about light output.I would struggle to see a need for anything brighter, I wider beam possibly, but not brighter.
t but unfortunately if you use it for the purpose you imply then it's assault with a weapon. It's a lump of aluminium that will fracture a skull pretty easily when delivered with force and Plod quite rightly take a dim view of that. Your not a law breaker you're a good guy and you don't need the fall out of that in your life.If you want something that's more 'dual use' then get a small single 18650 battery torch that has a castellated end. Then if you really need to put it to work, hold it in an ice pick grip and deliver it to the temple. It's light enough not to cause lasting injury but as a point pressure device it's utterly debilitating for long enough for you to be off on your heels.
We practice exactly that when we train and trust me it works. I've had it done to me to experience being on the delivery end of it and it sat me right on my backside with a blinding headache for a good 20 minutes.
Hainey said:
I hear what you say and i didnt mean to come across like a tt but unfortunately if you use it for the purpose you imply then it's assault with a weapon. It's a lump of aluminium that will fracture a skull pretty easily when delivered with force and Plod quite rightly take a dim view of that. Your not a law breaker you're a good guy and you don't need the fall out of that in your life.
If you want something that's more 'dual use' then get a small single 18650 battery torch that has a castellated end. Then if you really need to put it to work, hold it in an ice pick grip and deliver it to the temple. It's light enough not to cause lasting injury but as a point pressure device it's utterly debilitating for long enough for you to be off on your heels.
We practice exactly that when we train and trust me it works. I've had it done to me to experience being on the delivery end of it and it sat me right on my backside with a blinding headache for a good 20 minutes.
I am the most mild mannered person you could imagine, I am hoping it is a deterrent rather than actually use it as a weapon, the fact the batteries last upto 6 hours is a plus alsot but unfortunately if you use it for the purpose you imply then it's assault with a weapon. It's a lump of aluminium that will fracture a skull pretty easily when delivered with force and Plod quite rightly take a dim view of that. Your not a law breaker you're a good guy and you don't need the fall out of that in your life.If you want something that's more 'dual use' then get a small single 18650 battery torch that has a castellated end. Then if you really need to put it to work, hold it in an ice pick grip and deliver it to the temple. It's light enough not to cause lasting injury but as a point pressure device it's utterly debilitating for long enough for you to be off on your heels.
We practice exactly that when we train and trust me it works. I've had it done to me to experience being on the delivery end of it and it sat me right on my backside with a blinding headache for a good 20 minutes.
Hainey said:
pherlopolus said:
Hainey said:
Only 700 lumens. So it's more about ttting someone over the head than it is about light output.
It is plenty bright enough to for my intended purpose of walking up and down railway lines and stations at night, with added benefit of being fairly hefty if I come across anyone who shouldn't be there. It will be plenty bright enough to disorientate if pointed in face to. tting someone over the head than it is about light output.I would struggle to see a need for anything brighter, I wider beam possibly, but not brighter.
t but unfortunately if you use it for the purpose you imply then it's assault with a weapon. It's a lump of aluminium that will fracture a skull pretty easily when delivered with force and Plod quite rightly take a dim view of that. Your not a law breaker you're a good guy and you don't need the fall out of that in your life.If you want something that's more 'dual use' then get a small single 18650 battery torch that has a castellated end. Then if you really need to put it to work, hold it in an ice pick grip and deliver it to the temple. It's light enough not to cause lasting injury but as a point pressure device it's utterly debilitating for long enough for you to be off on your heels.
We practice exactly that when we train and trust me it works. I've had it done to me to experience being on the delivery end of it and it sat me right on my backside with a blinding headache for a good 20 minutes.
klmhcp said:
Hainey said:
pherlopolus said:
Hainey said:
Only 700 lumens. So it's more about ttting someone over the head than it is about light output.
It is plenty bright enough to for my intended purpose of walking up and down railway lines and stations at night, with added benefit of being fairly hefty if I come across anyone who shouldn't be there. It will be plenty bright enough to disorientate if pointed in face to. tting someone over the head than it is about light output.I would struggle to see a need for anything brighter, I wider beam possibly, but not brighter.
t but unfortunately if you use it for the purpose you imply then it's assault with a weapon. It's a lump of aluminium that will fracture a skull pretty easily when delivered with force and Plod quite rightly take a dim view of that. Your not a law breaker you're a good guy and you don't need the fall out of that in your life.If you want something that's more 'dual use' then get a small single 18650 battery torch that has a castellated end. Then if you really need to put it to work, hold it in an ice pick grip and deliver it to the temple. It's light enough not to cause lasting injury but as a point pressure device it's utterly debilitating for long enough for you to be off on your heels.
We practice exactly that when we train and trust me it works. I've had it done to me to experience being on the delivery end of it and it sat me right on my backside with a blinding headache for a good 20 minutes.
silverthorn2151 said:
I have been following the various torch threads we have on here and have mostly had cheap torcjes which I use in my job as a surveyor and when walking the dog. And then I decided to take the plunge and on then strength of a review in a walking magazine one of these popped through the letterbox yesterday.
It's BRILLIANT....
I turned into a kid and wanted to do evrything at home last night by torchlight. For a double AA torch to be putting out 245 lumens is impressive enough on paper, but taking my black dog out down a dark lane it was wonderful! This whole torch game is potentially addictive!
And a note of recommendation for http://www.ledfiretorches.co.uk/index.php
what good service in terms of delivery speed and communication.
It is 5 years since I started this thread almost to the day and by coincidence I grabbed the torch that triggered it to walk the dogs down a dark lane. Its interesting to reflect on what its like in the face of all competition from the rest of my box of torches.It's BRILLIANT....
I turned into a kid and wanted to do evrything at home last night by torchlight. For a double AA torch to be putting out 245 lumens is impressive enough on paper, but taking my black dog out down a dark lane it was wonderful! This whole torch game is potentially addictive!
And a note of recommendation for http://www.ledfiretorches.co.uk/index.php
what good service in terms of delivery speed and communication.
It doesn't focus. Its not paint blistering bright. Its light and slim.
I found that it was just great to walk the dogs in the twilight down the lane. Walking a cross the dark golf course it wouldn't be so good. Answer, take several torches.
What this thread has shown is just how much expertise and knowledge is within the PH congregation and how easily people share.
As stated before, I also carry the PD35 and rate it very highly. I use it when I go for long walks at night in the woods.
These days for 'always on me' I use an On The Road M3 and carry a spare battery. Bearing in mind how small the torch and battery is the power is immense.
If your not familiar with them have a Google. You might like it.
These days for 'always on me' I use an On The Road M3 and carry a spare battery. Bearing in mind how small the torch and battery is the power is immense.
If your not familiar with them have a Google. You might like it.
V8mate said:
Hainey said:
As stated before, I also carry the PD35 and rate it very highly. I use it when I go for long walks at night in the woods.
Weirdo.
Seriously though, I don't sleep much and I have really dense dark deep woods half a mile from my front door so why not. I've seen everything from field mice to badgers and so many deer and I think once a pine martin.
We had a interesting night here tonight at pugh towers.
Just as we were siting done to eat our take away fish and chip supper, we had a power cut.
Western power had been working on the local three phase supply up the road, and you guessed it, we were one of the few houses on the one phase that failed!
So from about 18:30 to just now ( 21:15) we were in darkness.
And these little cheap puppies from amazon totally cam to our rescue.
Heres what i bought, intended for a rally camping trip later this week.
Two for less than £20, so about a tenner each and they are brilliant ( no pun intended !)
Just as we were siting done to eat our take away fish and chip supper, we had a power cut.
Western power had been working on the local three phase supply up the road, and you guessed it, we were one of the few houses on the one phase that failed!
So from about 18:30 to just now ( 21:15) we were in darkness.
And these little cheap puppies from amazon totally cam to our rescue.
Heres what i bought, intended for a rally camping trip later this week.
Two for less than £20, so about a tenner each and they are brilliant ( no pun intended !)
My £4 chinese Clode 700 replica from Amazon showed up today. It is extremely bright for £4. The build quality is, as expected, not world beating, but more than acceptable for the price. The zoom functionality seems somewhat clunky, it doesn't seem to respond in a consistent way, but its not a deal breaker. 3x AAA runs it. Definitely worth a punt as an occasional use torch for the price of a pint.
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