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[Tallbut Buxomly]

randlemarcus said:

I'll take your word for the meego thing. Hasn't impacted on corporate mobility, so haven't invested.

No sure MS fancy a European hardware company - historical perspective would suggest that MS tend, like Intel, to support/invest in hardware until the market is behind the software it runs, then bail out.

The catch here is that nokia own huge amounts of patents globally for all sorts of mobile tech that brings in licensing revenue.

[randlemarcus]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

The catch here is that nokia own huge amounts of patents globally for all sorts of mobile tech that brings in licensing revenue.

Yup, fair point. Hatefully then, you may be right. Would like a global IP system, with some capability to say "that's cool, licence/license it for a tiny fee per user".

[CommanderJameson]

thunderbelmont said:

Nokia.
Windows.
Phone.

The three words do not go together, only in some Stephen Elop fantasy.

I deal with WinPhones on a daily basis from a tech support point of view. They are utter crap.

Never ever would I dream of owning or using one.

Cdr Jameson - MeeGo is far from dead - the base product is morphing in to Tizen - an Intel/Samsung development. Meego for the N900 (Nokia's other orphan) has morphed into Mer - a renamed branch of MeeGo.

Harmattan is really Maemo6, but with a lot of MeeGo in it. And it is a very capable OS.

Nokia should have stuck with MeeGo. Nokia was Nokia, not just another hardware maker like a PC clone builder.
That's why they should have carried on with MeeGo. But they employed Bill Gates' lapdog. Elop. So what did they expect.

He has devastated their ability to develop, throwing their lot in with his old buddy Bill.

Sorry. No. Its st. total and utter st.

Nokia will be totally dead in a couple of years.

Even if they are are going to use another Linux derivative to replace Symbian 40 in their "featurephones", this marriage made in hell will kill them.

I'd buy a Blackberry before a WinPho. No, infact I'd buy, pay for, a iPhone first. Though that would be some time after hell has frozen over, and the entire population of Iran converts to Catholicism.

I'll buy you a pint if any manufacturer releases a MeeGo phone.

I'll buy you two if they make a go of it.

But still, it's good that you're not bitter.

[LOGiK]

As much as I love maemo/meego and linux in general, I hold little hope for another maemo/meego phone to be released ever simply because the carriers HATE phones that are so open. Carriers want everyone using iphones really that are locked down so that extras like tethering can be charged for separately. They want phones that they can stick their name all over the OS on and phones which never do more than they're sold to do.

Maemo/MeeGo are too open and accessible. No carrier likes that. It also wouldn't generate revenue in the same way iOS and Android do with their app stores because pretty much everything is open source for it or has an open source alternative.

I do agree that they made a bad decision going with Windows Phone. Sad, I really was a massive fanboy and now I'm left with no company to adore. Q_Q

[With these feet]

Just watched the BBC's Click this morning where they have a look at the new phone.
I was in the minority of N900 buyers (seems theres a few on here) at first I was impressed, but soon turned to disappointment as Nokia announced Meego etc etc. Im not a computer geek and didnt buy it for its adaptability, I wanted a powerful phone...

I recently swapped to Android, a SE mini-pro. Similar in the fact it has a keyboard but much smaller. Its so much more user friendly than the N900 was. Looking at Nokias new phone, its just not enough. The SE has facebook integration, skype video (that works!) and its around £200 sim free.
I still have my N900, purely because it cost so much, I cant see myself ever spending that much again on a Nokia.

[CommanderJameson]

LOGiK said:

As much as I love maemo/meego and linux in general, I hold little hope for another maemo/meego phone to be released ever simply because the carriers HATE phones that are so open. Carriers want everyone using iphones really that are locked down so that extras like tethering can be charged for separately.

Yep, carriers are bds. No argument there. But Android is just about as open, once rooted, as MeeGo.

LOGiK said:

They want phones that they can stick their name all over the OS on and phones which never do more than they're sold to do.

Well, that's not an iPhone, then. Carriers hate the iPhone. They're not allowed to "add value" to it, or brand it, or anything. It's been a while since I had one, but I don't think they're even allowed to add Orange Wednesdays or Vodafone 360 or whatever to the web bookmarks.

LOGiK said:

Maemo/MeeGo are too open and accessible. No carrier likes that. It also wouldn't generate revenue in the same way iOS and Android do with their app stores because pretty much everything is open source for it or has an open source alternative.

Carriers seem to be just fine with Android, and if they wanted to lock MeeGo down, they could and would. I think this is probably rose-tinted spectacles at work. People don't, in the main, care about open-source. They care about free, or failing that, cheap. And they care very much about easy, which is what app stores give you.

LOGiK said:

I do agree that they made a bad decision going with Windows Phone. Sad, I really was a massive fanboy and now I'm left with no company to adore. Q_Q

Windows Phone was the least worst decision Nokia could have made. They were simply not going to get a finished MeeGo platform in a sensible timeframe. Going with Android would have meant entering the specs arms race with HTC and Samsung at the top end, and the budget dogfight at the bottom.

[OneDs]

As well as no front camera, it's doesn't have an micro sd card slot or the ability to transfer data via the USB as a mass storage device, you have to use the 25gb in the "cloud" to allow you to expand your memory requirements or delete stuff as you go, if you get near the 16gb max.

Personally whilst it's a step in the right direction there are two things right there that will stop me getting it. the 900 or ace or win 8 phone released in Q1 '12 better fix these and have a bigger screen or that 15% is going to keep going in the same direction.

[ofcorsa]

I thought Nokia were getting special access to the OS to allow USB transfer?

[Tallbut Buxomly]

Had a brief play with it today. Lovely looking bit of kit. Screen is crystal clear and os runs so really smoothly.

However my friend who is a bit old school (hates predictive etc) and like me has always used Nokia's had a very brief look and then turned to me and said "its st its not very intuitive at all".

Now I will be honest I didn't really get that in depth as I was trying to find out from the staff if it could be used as a usb mass storage device etc which they couldn't tell me.

So my consensus is I will be getting one I hope on upgrade as soon as I can to have a play.

[lestag]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

Had a brief play with it today. Lovely looking bit of kit. Screen is crystal clear and os runs so really smoothly.

However my friend who is a bit old school (hates predictive etc) and like me has always used Nokia's had a very brief look and then turned to me and said "its st its not very intuitive at all".

Now I will be honest I didn't really get that in depth as I was trying to find out from the staff if it could be used as a usb mass storage device etc which they couldn't tell me.

So my consensus is I will be getting one I hope on upgrade as soon as I can to have a play.

Apparently
http://wp7lab.com/news/turn-wp7-device-usb-mass-st...
http://www.wpcentral.com/return-usb-storage-window...

[Tallbut Buxomly]

Ta les however am still hopeful it will be built in as its a fundamental Nokia ability and would be really annoying to lose.

[LOGiK]

CommanderJameson said:

Carriers seem to be just fine with Android, and if they wanted to lock MeeGo down, they could and would. I think this is probably rose-tinted spectacles at work. People don't, in the main, care about open-source. They care about free, or failing that, cheap. And they care very much about easy, which is what app stores give you.

Locking down something built entirely on open source is never a good idea and always problematic. You also lose your android warranty if you root it, it's a common practice but it's certainly not one that the manufacturers or carriers like, the same way iPhones can be jailbroken. They don't like that people do it and they do try to prevent it somewhat. Maemo/MeeGo was basically shipped totally jailbroken and that isn't something the carriers want anything to do with.

The N900's app management system was free, easy but laggy and badly categorized. I do think carriers must've disliked the speed and ease of setting up wifi hotspots and bt/usb tethering with the N900 though.

[CommanderJameson]

LOGiK said:

I do think carriers must've disliked the speed and ease of setting up wifi hotspots and bt/usb tethering with the N900 though.

I don't think enough people ever bought N900s for any carrier to care much.

[LeeThr]

Does seem like it could be the basis for a return to former glory for Nokia. I currently have an N97 mini, its never had much of an issue. But I do think the interface/symbian software could have always been made that bit better. And I do think the time to get rid of the N97 is approaching. I like the look of the 800 but I would miss the full pop out qwerty keyboard the 97 has. Will any of the nokia wp's have one? Also another feature I do like on my 97 is the ability to use it as a mass storage drive.

[OneDs]

Good article here about the Lumia 800 limitations in comparison mainly to the N9 but in general you get a good insight in the corners cut to get this to market.

http://thenokiaguide.com/2011/10/26/recap-and-comm...

LeeThr said:

Does seem like it could be the basis for a return to former glory for Nokia. I currently have an N97 mini, its never had much of an issue. But I do think the interface/symbian software could have always been made that bit better. And I do think the time to get rid of the N97 is approaching. I like the look of the 800 but I would miss the full pop out qwerty keyboard the 97 has. Will any of the nokia wp's have one? Also another feature I do like on my 97 is the ability to use it as a mass storage drive.

I would hope that the next 2 models are:-

A Lumia 900 with the specs as leaked and resolving the requirements missed by the 800 for less than £40 pm in the UK
A slide out phone somewhere between the 800 & 900

Edited by OneDs on Monday 31st October 14:41

[LeeThr]

Well Ive pre-orderd my Nokia Lumia 800 today. On three for £33 a month. 500 minuites, 5000 texts & all you can eat data. Just wait till my bank sorts itself out and gives me a proper card now and I can get it all sorted. If my bank sorts it out for me before the 16th then I'll be the first to get it from my local store if not then ah well.

[CommanderJameson]

I've ordered a sim-free blue one from Expansys,

>rubs thighs<

[wolves_wanderer]

£249.99 on the £20 12 month deal from Talkmobile, trading in my iPhone 4 - net cost -1p

[CatJ]

wolves_wanderer said:

£249.99 on the £20 12 month deal from Talkmobile, trading in my iPhone 4 - net cost -1p

Sounds a good deal. I switched from an iphone 4 to a Mozart 7 and I've never looked back.

[wolves_wanderer]

CatJ said:

wolves_wanderer said:

£249.99 on the £20 12 month deal from Talkmobile, trading in my iPhone 4 - net cost -1p

Sounds a good deal. I switched from an iphone 4 to a Mozart 7 and I've never looked back.

I had a play with a friend's WP7 device and was sold then tbh. Just called to get my PAC code from O2 and they apparently have some sneaky 12 month retention deals so I will stay with them if they can match the deal.