Nokia Windows Phone

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ZesPak

24,420 posts

195 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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CommanderJameson said:
Well, I've got a WP7 phone now, having had an iPhone 3G, a BlackBerry Storm2 (ahahahahaha), a BlackBerry Bold and a Google Nexus One in the recent past.

It easily replaces all of those.
Funny thing, I was thinking "whahahaha" when I read "Blackberry Storm 2", but you beat me to it hehe

What WP do you have?

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

225 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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ZesPak said:
Funny thing, I was thinking "whahahaha" when I read "Blackberry Storm 2", but you beat me to it hehe

What WP do you have?
I've got an HTC 7 Mozart, which is quite nice, for an HTC.

Key phrase: "for an HTC".

AndyWoodall

2,624 posts

258 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Add me to the long list of folks on the internet who spent many many years using Nokias, and would ONLY use Nokias until recent years.

I know if this was an iPhone thread someone would pipe up 'its only a phone, get a life', but for me the fact that Nokia have finally got their design flare back is absolutely thrilling. Nokia was no1 in phone design for a very long time, and this one looks like it lives up to that legacy.

That said, since Apple entered the phone market I've been converted, and it would take some serious crap kit/OS for me to leave now.

Wish Nokia the best of luck, really hope they continue with this design language.

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

225 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Actually one of the things that I'm really enthusiastic about is the fact that the body is machined polycarbonate, rather than being painted or coated, which means that as the phone picks up its wabi, (which it surely will, if you don't keep it in a case, and I don't) it'll not look worn at the corners.

Tallbut Buxomly

12,254 posts

215 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Hmmm hit and miss. I think the issue you will have with the pink and blue is it will show scratches due to dirt getting into them.

However i dont see that as being a big issue. The fact it should help with signal apparently by being poly is great and i am fairly sure it will be easy enough to clean when it does get dirty.

Looking forward to the phone tbh. Going to speak to my networks and see when i am due to upgrade.

See if i like it and if not flog it.

Anyone know what the apps situation is for windows mobile ? Are there many or is it quite limited in availability and quality?

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

225 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Tallbut Buxomly said:
Hmmm hit and miss. I think the issue you will have with the pink and blue is it will show scratches due to dirt getting into them.

However i dont see that as being a big issue. The fact it should help with signal apparently by being poly is great and i am fairly sure it will be easy enough to clean when it does get dirty.

Looking forward to the phone tbh. Going to speak to my networks and see when i am due to upgrade.

See if i like it and if not flog it.

Anyone know what the apps situation is for windows mobile ? Are there many or is it quite limited in availability and quality?
The only phones I've ever had dirt problems with have been Mrs J's flip phones, due to the fact that they (a) have buttons and (b) get put next to a lady's face what wears makeup, and it gets into the joins between screen and case.

Being of a manly persuasion, and not being one of them metrosexuals off the telly what moisturises an' that, my phones are always clean enough to eat your dinner off. Although that'd probably be impractical unless you weren't very hungry.

Mind you, I had a white iPod years ago, and that was polycarbonate, and that never really showed up the muck.

Apps: 35K apps now, all the major things (FB, Twitter, Foursquare, Amazon Kindle, IMDB, Angry Birds etc etc) are present, and of high quality. Microsoft know how to woo developers (Visual This'n'that, low barriers to entry to the Marketplace), so I don't think it's a worry.

LOGiK

1,084 posts

187 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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wolves_wanderer said:
he mobile phone spec war is largely pointless. If you have used a WP7 device you will realise exactly why they haven't released any dual core devices, there is simply no point. Android, on the other hand, needs as much power as you can throw at it.

I do share your sadness about meego as a gadget lover but I don't think that it would ever have brought Nokia back to relevance frankly.
I disagree, android is still in its infancy and is struggling to accommodate the vast array of hardware that it's supposed to work with. Ultimately, I think Android will look more like linux distros with a ton of versions to suit stuff, also sorry for my atrocious phrasing of this post.

Also, I like companies to pioneer technology and push as hard as possible to advance, Nokia aren't doing this. They can make something into a work of art but if it isn't pushing the limits of consumer technology, I'm not going to be all that interested in it unless the pricetag reflects the older and less advanced technology.

The point that there's a limit to how powerful a device for your hand needs to be does stand, but when they're starting to stick 720p screens on them, that power is starting to be justified and I'd rather buy a phone with the power to last 3 years than one that wont keep up after one.

I do genuinely believe that if Nokia had pushed Maemo/MeeGo, ultimately the whole of the linux community would've embraced it which would've given such a rapid boost in the apps and whatnot available that it could easily compete with iOS and android. Alas, it was not meant to be.

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

225 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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LOGiK said:
I'm not going to be all that interested in it unless the pricetag reflects the older and less advanced technology.
It does.

I can get a Lumia 800 for no up-front cost for £30/mo (500/5000/1GB) on 3.

Can't get near that sort of price for a free Nexus S - the best I could find was £41 (1200/2500/0.25GB) on Orange, or for an iPhone 4S - £43/mo, (900/unlimited/1GB) on 3.

I think that's a fair reflection of the differences between the handsets. Although the data on that Orange tariff is bemusingly low.

klarky

70 posts

174 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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just seen this new nokia when browsing you tube, looks nice and id have it in the blue.

ive had tried all the os's except wp so think ill get in touch with orange to see if i can upgrade early for the 800, and drop the blackberry i have, as long as i get a decent number of free texts and at least 500mb of internet im good, girlfriend is changing her blackberry soon so no need for bbm so saves £5 a month.

also orange will give you a free xbox if you order and confirm by 30th nov, already got one but can always sell it or use it as a christmas gift to someone.

i think all these smart phones are much the same, if anything im fed up of apps on phones, i use an original ipad for that, i want a phone to be a phone and maybe a half decent camera, good net browsing and anything else is a bonus. i used to like nokias hardware but hated their menus but now with wp im willing to give them another go.

Mojooo

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12,668 posts

179 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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I'm a PAYG man so I will prob buy one outright if the price is right.

300 would be ideal but i got a feeling it will be 350ish - in which case it will have to feel very nice.


Tallbut Buxomly

12,254 posts

215 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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Mojooo said:
I'm a PAYG man so I will prob buy one outright if the price is right.

300 would be ideal but i got a feeling it will be 350ish - in which case it will have to feel very nice.
Two prices i believe.

The 710 is going to be something like 250-300 and the 800 is going to be 4-450 quid.

Mojooo

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12,668 posts

179 months

Thursday 27th October 2011
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I'll be going for the 800. It is about 400 and something Euros which I calculated as £360 on release day IIRC.

Dunno why anyone would go for the 710 unless they were REALLY on a budget. Its larger than the 800 and generally poorer spec all round. I might have gone for the 710 if it was lower spec but retained the same shape as the 800 and was physically smaller.


Pints

18,444 posts

193 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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CommanderJameson said:
Note: I'm talking about people, not the babbling techno-press, here.

Most people slate Symbian for the fact that there's piss-all apps for it, and it's mostly noxious to use. If the choice for an ordinary user is an HTC Wildfire for a hundred quid, which plays Angry Birds*, and the latest Symbian super-phone, which doesn't, then I'm sorry, you can have all the gigabytes and NFC and Meegos and Maemos and pentabands and super-duper cameras you like: Angry Birds* wins.

People don't slate Harmattan. They don't slate what they've never heard of.

*Other wildly popular applications which don't exist on Symbian are available
Not to try and be an old stick in the mud, or miss your point completely, but there are plenty of users for whom the mobile phone needs to do things well, which don't include the alleged excitement of playing with birds (or any other game for that matter).

With my Symbian I can browse the internet, sync with Outlook, receive or send emails, take the odd photo, or even call or text when the need arises (this'll be because the battery lasts longer).

I've not found the (limited) range of apps to be an issue, yet my phone makes an ideal worktool.

If the WM7 proves to meet all my needs, and more, then it'll fit the bill quite nicely.


Posted from my Nokia X6 Symbianwink

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

225 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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Pints said:
Not to try and be an old stick in the mud, or miss your point completely, but there are plenty of users for whom the mobile phone needs to do things well, which don't include the alleged excitement of playing with birds (or any other game for that matter).

With my Symbian I can browse the internet, sync with Outlook, receive or send emails, take the odd photo, or even call or text when the need arises (this'll be because the battery lasts longer).

I've not found the (limited) range of apps to be an issue, yet my phone makes an ideal worktool.

If the WM7 proves to meet all my needs, and more, then it'll fit the bill quite nicely.


Posted from my Nokia X6 Symbianwink
All perfectly true.

But there's a huge user base out there who do want their Angry Birds (other games are available just not on Symbian) - witness the huge sales of Android and iOS phone.

This is why Nokia have smelled the coffee and gone with WP7. I think they've gone with WP7, rather than Android, to try and avoid the dash-to-the-bottom treadmill that is the Android handset business.

We'll see if that's a wise move, soon enough. Although I can foresee a future where Nokia have an exclusive right to make Windows Phone handsets, or even get bought outright by Microsoft. Well, the bit of Nokia that makes phones, anyhoo.

It's WP7, not WM7. Windows Mobile is a horrid monstrosity that should be killed with fire. Windows Phone is a completely different (and incompatible with Windows Mobile) beast. Yes, Microsoft should have called it something else - perhaps "Metro", after the UI.

ZesPak

24,420 posts

195 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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CommanderJameson said:
We'll see if that's a wise move, soon enough. Although I can foresee a future where Nokia have an exclusive right to make Windows Phone handsets, or even get bought outright by Microsoft. Well, the bit of Nokia that makes phones, anyhoo.

It's WP7, not WM7. Windows Mobile is a horrid monstrosity that should be killed with fire. Windows Phone is a completely different (and incompatible with Windows Mobile) beast. Yes, Microsoft should have called it something else - perhaps "Metro", after the UI.
Agreed, esp with MS people basically saying: if you want a WP, buy this new Nokia, the rest is crap.
I don't think HTC and Samsung will like that MS puts Nokia first like that (forgot the English term), like it's favorite child.

As for calling it Metro, agreed, they should just drop the "windows" prefix, as it hasn't got anything to do with windows anymore, Tiles Mobile would be a better name, although it could be hard to TM TM wink.

CatJ

9,586 posts

242 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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One of the criticisms of HTC, Samsung appears to be that they haven't really marketed the WP7 platform. I don't know how true that is. I've seen a couple of ads for the HTC radar but it's not in the same league as the ads I've seen in the last 24 hours for the Nokias.

ZesPak

24,420 posts

195 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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CatJ said:
One of the criticisms of HTC, Samsung appears to be that they haven't really marketed the WP7 platform. I don't know how true that is. I've seen a couple of ads for the HTC radar but it's not in the same league as the ads I've seen in the last 24 hours for the Nokias.
yes
HTC & Samsung are betting hard on the Android front, LG and Motorola are getting behind (esp in Europe). I think it's logical of them (HTC & Samsung) not to advertise the WP7 phones that much, but still keeping them in the running for if (when?) the platform gains a noticeable market share.

Of course, if there's one player on the market that can take a noticeable market share from Apple/Google on that department, imho it's MS, and Samsung & HTC know this.

MS is playing this game well imo, easing into the market very well and I can see them getting over 10%, maybe even 15% marketshare by the end of 2012.

Of course, the 20 that symbian holds have to go somewhere in "new sales", maybe a good thing for RIM as I think their phones are the most similar in use & form factor?

tombar

475 posts

208 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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First phone that's tempted me from the Apple universe.....I'd have it in blue. I'm getting a bit bored of the whole iOS interface - shallow statement I know - and Android just looks a mess to me. But I'm stuck on O2 for a while and guess which network hasn't yet said it would be handling them.....does anyone know if it appearing on O2 is just a matter of time?

OneDs

1,628 posts

175 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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I have to say I'm disappointed, I was hoping the Lumia 900 (or Ace) would be launched which would be a true market leader or at least up there with the 4gs and Galaxy S II, the 800 is not a top end phone and unless Nokia release a proper world beating phone in Q1 2012 I'll be shifting to Apple or Samsung.

Edited by OneDs on Friday 28th October 10:13

ZesPak

24,420 posts

195 months

Friday 28th October 2011
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OneDs said:
I have to say I'm disappointing, I was hoping the Lumia 900 (or Ace) would be launched which would be a true market leader or at least up there with the 4gs and Galaxy S II, the 800 is not a top end phone and unless Nokia release a proper world beating phone in Q1 2012 I'll be shifting to Apple or Samsung.
Disagree, to be honest, at it's given price it's a very good phone, they couldn't dream of persuading the Apple followers into a phone that is maybe as good, but at the same price as the iPhone.

This phone is maybe as good, but at a much lower price.