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I think the phone was most likely rushed to completion to get it on the market as soon as possible.
Hence why things are not quite so far ahead as other phones.
But then also as has been said it is a different phone to the others. It is a stunning design physically imho. Really stands out compared to the other bland bricks (iphone excepted {just}) Also has plenty effective hardware processor wise to run things.
Camera should be standard nokia fare so pretty decent and software and battery life should be really great.
720p video will be plenty good enough for most for now and the 900 is due in the next few months as well i would guess which should cover all bases not covered by this phone.
Going to go have a play with the phone this weekend i think even though not convinced by WP7.
Hence why things are not quite so far ahead as other phones.
But then also as has been said it is a different phone to the others. It is a stunning design physically imho. Really stands out compared to the other bland bricks (iphone excepted {just}) Also has plenty effective hardware processor wise to run things.
Camera should be standard nokia fare so pretty decent and software and battery life should be really great.
720p video will be plenty good enough for most for now and the 900 is due in the next few months as well i would guess which should cover all bases not covered by this phone.
Going to go have a play with the phone this weekend i think even though not convinced by WP7.
Was more of an observation re camera and Skype. Interesting that they have gone with the relatively smaller screen size compared to the Prime, etc. I suppose they wish it to be operated with one hand, rather than a 2 handed device. The body on it does look nice. I wonder if the matt look will scuff up easily?
Oh, and nice to to see windows have an OS that seems to be upmto date. Windows always felt a bit ergh on phones.
Oh, and nice to to see windows have an OS that seems to be upmto date. Windows always felt a bit ergh on phones.
The omission of a front camera does seem odd in light of the Skype situation. Nokia were on about bringing a new phone to the market every three months so I'm sure that there will be a wider range of screen sizes but I think by getting a beautiful device on the market first they will be hitting the 90% of customers who couldn't care less about specs or what OS it runs.
I think that may be it WW. I think this phone is aimed at people who want a good looking phone that is easy to use and versatile. A phone that does what pretty much every other phone out there does but looks different and eye catching.
The Gadgets phone is most likely the 900 which I expect will be launched in the next 3/4 months and should have a f facing camera.
On the front facing camera issue I actually think it wasn't bothered with on the grounds that it has never taken off. Even facetime hasn't really been that popular/successful which was a moderate surprise.
The Gadgets phone is most likely the 900 which I expect will be launched in the next 3/4 months and should have a f facing camera.
On the front facing camera issue I actually think it wasn't bothered with on the grounds that it has never taken off. Even facetime hasn't really been that popular/successful which was a moderate surprise.
Hmmm possibly. I have relatives around the globe and tbh we have tried skype and skype video on mobile phones and found it to be so pants we gave up.
Oh and another point here about the 800 versus other phones. Me I am a little sensitive to the size of mobiles.
Biggest phone I have had was the N97 which was just about the max in terms of overall bulk I could cope with (tbh it was actually a bit too large).
I have had a 5110, 8110, n95 and an n97 and am now using a c701 and N8.
The lumia, n8 e7 etc are all just about the right size.
Any bigger and you may as well have a real old fashioned mobile attached to a suitcase imho.
A lot of the other phones like the htc's are just a too large in overall physical size.
Oh and another point here about the 800 versus other phones. Me I am a little sensitive to the size of mobiles.
Biggest phone I have had was the N97 which was just about the max in terms of overall bulk I could cope with (tbh it was actually a bit too large).
I have had a 5110, 8110, n95 and an n97 and am now using a c701 and N8.
The lumia, n8 e7 etc are all just about the right size.
Any bigger and you may as well have a real old fashioned mobile attached to a suitcase imho.
A lot of the other phones like the htc's are just a too large in overall physical size.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
Hmmm possibly. I have relatives around the globe and tbh we have tried skype and skype video on mobile phones and found it to be so pants we gave up.
Oh and another point here about the 800 versus other phones. Me I am a little sensitive to the size of mobiles.
Biggest phone I have had was the N97 which was just about the max in terms of overall bulk I could cope with (tbh it was actually a bit too large).
I have had a 5110, 8110, n95 and an n97 and am now using a c701 and N8.
The lumia, n8 e7 etc are all just about the right size.
Any bigger and you may as well have a real old fashioned mobile attached to a suitcase imho.
A lot of the other phones like the htc's are just a too large in overall physical size.
Agree on the size issue. I posted about why the iPhone remains to be 3.5 inch, rather than going for the rather larger screened phones that seem to be coming out. 3.5, or thereabouts, is the best size for single thumb use, apparently. Any bigger, and you have to move the phone around, use 2 hands, etc. as get a 5 inch phone, you may as well get a 7" tablet! Oh and another point here about the 800 versus other phones. Me I am a little sensitive to the size of mobiles.
Biggest phone I have had was the N97 which was just about the max in terms of overall bulk I could cope with (tbh it was actually a bit too large).
I have had a 5110, 8110, n95 and an n97 and am now using a c701 and N8.
The lumia, n8 e7 etc are all just about the right size.
Any bigger and you may as well have a real old fashioned mobile attached to a suitcase imho.
A lot of the other phones like the htc's are just a too large in overall physical size.
I had visions of you holding it up to your face like a big iPhone. As you were.
Nokia.
Windows.
Phone.
The three words do not go together, only in some Stephen Elop fantasy.
I deal with WinPhones on a daily basis from a tech support point of view. They are utter crap.
Never ever would I dream of owning or using one.
Cdr Jameson - MeeGo is far from dead - the base product is morphing in to Tizen - an Intel/Samsung development. Meego for the N900 (Nokia's other orphan) has morphed into Mer - a renamed branch of MeeGo.
Harmattan is really Maemo6, but with a lot of MeeGo in it. And it is a very capable OS.
Nokia should have stuck with MeeGo. Nokia was Nokia, not just another hardware maker like a PC clone builder.
That's why they should have carried on with MeeGo. But they employed Bill Gates' lapdog. Elop. So what did they expect.
He has devastated their ability to develop, throwing their lot in with his old buddy Bill.
Sorry. No. Its s
t. total and utter st.
Nokia will be totally dead in a couple of years.
Even if they are are going to use another Linux derivative to replace Symbian 40 in their "featurephones", this marriage made in hell will kill them.
I'd buy a Blackberry before a WinPho. No, infact I'd buy, pay for, a iPhone first. Though that would be some time after hell has frozen over, and the entire population of Iran converts to Catholicism.
Windows.
Phone.
The three words do not go together, only in some Stephen Elop fantasy.
I deal with WinPhones on a daily basis from a tech support point of view. They are utter crap.
Never ever would I dream of owning or using one.
Cdr Jameson - MeeGo is far from dead - the base product is morphing in to Tizen - an Intel/Samsung development. Meego for the N900 (Nokia's other orphan) has morphed into Mer - a renamed branch of MeeGo.
Harmattan is really Maemo6, but with a lot of MeeGo in it. And it is a very capable OS.
Nokia should have stuck with MeeGo. Nokia was Nokia, not just another hardware maker like a PC clone builder.
That's why they should have carried on with MeeGo. But they employed Bill Gates' lapdog. Elop. So what did they expect.
He has devastated their ability to develop, throwing their lot in with his old buddy Bill.
Sorry. No. Its s
t. total and utter st.Nokia will be totally dead in a couple of years.
Even if they are are going to use another Linux derivative to replace Symbian 40 in their "featurephones", this marriage made in hell will kill them.
I'd buy a Blackberry before a WinPho. No, infact I'd buy, pay for, a iPhone first. Though that would be some time after hell has frozen over, and the entire population of Iran converts to Catholicism.
Nokia would have died unless they had switched to WP7/Android because the masses that they need to sell phones to would want either of those OSes.
They may die under MP7 but they would have died anyway under the old OS.
I am glad they switched to WP7 but if I was in charge I would have gone for Android as sales are likely to be better.
MS needed Nokia more than Nokia needed them IMO. But Nokia needed something - big time.
They may die under MP7 but they would have died anyway under the old OS.
I am glad they switched to WP7 but if I was in charge I would have gone for Android as sales are likely to be better.
MS needed Nokia more than Nokia needed them IMO. But Nokia needed something - big time.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
tbh I am somewhat annoyed by the tie up. Nokia will lose their identity and individuality and just become another hardware manufacturer like htc.
They beyond doubt made a HUGE mistake dumping harmatten.
Q3 2011 Smartphone market share: 15%They beyond doubt made a HUGE mistake dumping harmatten.
Q2 2011 Smartphone market share: 18%
2011 overall mobile device share: 25%
2008 overall mobile device share: 40%
Given that Apple have shown that there is money to be made beyond the sale of the PCBs and keypads, given that Nokia and Symbian have really screwed the pooch in the last few years, they have had to move position. Not sure it's the right move, but IOS is not an open platform, and others have Android as a prime platform. WP7 seems to be a huge move for MS - it is not WinMo. Guess we, like the Nokia shareholders get to wait and see.
Its catch 22. Symbian was dead in the water for a few years now. They have been working quietly on harmatten/meego for the last 3 years at least but no real apparent effort was put into it as a proposition to replace symbian.
If they had done Nokia's would all be running meego by now.
They would also be doing exceptionally well.
I think as from what i have seen harmatten is a very slick bit of software and yet again it will require less power to operate really quickly and smoothly than ios and other operating systems.
I personally think that they would have been better off keeping symbian and releasing the belle version and then releasing harmatten as their premium platform ( as they have done in a run out phone).
They then retain control and have both an individual top line software and a secondary basic in the form of symbian.
However what we are seeing is a clever play by microsoft to buy nokia.
If they had done Nokia's would all be running meego by now.
They would also be doing exceptionally well.
I think as from what i have seen harmatten is a very slick bit of software and yet again it will require less power to operate really quickly and smoothly than ios and other operating systems.
I personally think that they would have been better off keeping symbian and releasing the belle version and then releasing harmatten as their premium platform ( as they have done in a run out phone).
They then retain control and have both an individual top line software and a secondary basic in the form of symbian.
However what we are seeing is a clever play by microsoft to buy nokia.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
However what we are seeing is a clever play by microsoft to buy nokia.
I'll take your word for the meego thing. Hasn't impacted on corporate mobility, so haven't invested.No sure MS fancy a European hardware company - historical perspective would suggest that MS tend, like Intel, to support/invest in hardware until the market is behind the software it runs, then bail out.
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