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Esseesse
1,882 posts
77 months
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ZesPak said: Tycho said: I think the bigger question would be if Apple would allow it on the App Store. They usually block any app which duplicates features of the phone. They have been a bit flexible with things like browsers but still don't allow different keyboards etc. I can see them blocking Google maps TBH. Hmm possible, like I said, that probably won't be a deal breaker for a lot of people (it will be for some I guess though), but still, not very user-friendly. Also, maps offers, for one, "street view" and a sattelite view, I know Apple won't provide street view (initially), but will they provide sattelite view? If not, the google app would stand a chance as it offers a lot that the default app doesn't. Oh and as for the browsers, aren't they basically another skin over the same Webkit? I think it does have satellite view, data from Microsoft. I would expect a Google Maps app, but don't expect the take-up to be huge. I wonder if they did a deal with Facebook where they integrate FB into the OS more in return for using their massive databases of stuff for things like maps and Siri.
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hornetrider
40,763 posts
74 months
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Killboy said: Not so sure about that. TomTom will need a LOT of work to get anywhere near Google's services. Google's built in NAV is already brilliant, and able to mix the streetview with the interface. How does it work though - the map data is not held locally in the app, it is donwloaded on the fly as we could tell from that video. You can't have a satnav using data over the air. I am confuse.
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ZesPak
11,484 posts
65 months
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hornetrider said: You can't have a satnav using data over the air. Why can't you? I've been using google turn-byturn NAV for over a year on a daily basis? Always up-to-date, very accurate and knows the location of just about anything. I'm on a 500MB contract and use about 300MB/month.
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hornetrider
40,763 posts
74 months
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ZesPak said: hornetrider said: You can't have a satnav using data over the air. Why can't you? I've been using google turn-byturn NAV for over a year on a daily basis? Always up-to-date, very accurate and knows the location of just about anything. I'm on a 500MB contract and use about 300MB/month. Are you being serious?! That's massive data usage if used daily, what happens when you have no signal or are making a few turns in the city centre in quick succession over a data connection?
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Tycho
7,983 posts
142 months
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hornetrider said: ZesPak said: hornetrider said: You can't have a satnav using data over the air. Why can't you? I've been using google turn-byturn NAV for over a year on a daily basis? Always up-to-date, very accurate and knows the location of just about anything. I'm on a 500MB contract and use about 300MB/month. Are you being serious?! That's massive data usage if used daily, what happens when you have no signal or are making a few turns in the city centre in quick succession over a data connection? Google Maps uses about 10Mb when I go from home to Somerset and it will get all the data and cache it locally if I start up the app in wifi coverage. You can also pre cache the map tiles on an Android handset if you know the area where you are going. The app downloads about 5 miles each side of the route IIRC. I guess ZesPak will be doing a lot of other data stuff with that 300Mb. If not, he's not getting close to the data limit on his contract so why not use it? Soon it will be like SMSs and be unlimited anyway.
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Killboy
620 posts
71 months
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hornetrider said: How does it work though - the map data is not held locally in the app, it is donwloaded on the fly as we could tell from that video. You can't have a satnav using data over the air.
I am confuse. It works fine in my car, and I use it. Granted, not every day all month, but it works well. It also seems to cache the route, because it continues to nav and work in areas with poor/no data connection The only issue I've had was you obviously cannot use it internationally. I tried using it when I got lost in the Alps on the way to Val d'iSere, and it lasted about 30 minutes before it burned through my 20mb allowance.
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TheHeretic
67,892 posts
124 months
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PetrolDriver said: Of course, but I feel it also starts to piss loyal Apple fans off, those that don't have the ability to upgrade. I have co-pilot on my 4 so won't need the turn by turn nav but 3G FaceTime for chatting to the other half would be nice. But not nice enough for me to go and upgrade to the 4S just for the shower of s  tes to announce an iPhone 5. Apple seem to work in 2 year cycles. Have a 3Gs and you would probably upgrade to the 4S, and not the 4. If you have a 4, you will probably upgrade to the 5, rather than the 4S. I think this is mainly because most contracts, in the US anyway, are 2 years. You pretty much know when a new phone is coming, so it won't be a surprise.
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hornetrider
40,763 posts
74 months
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^^ Agree with that. I upgraded from a 3 to a 4S - it's a significant jump in speed, looks, battery life and functionality.
Different thread but the iPhone 5 needs to increase in size from the 4S I would have thought.
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james_tigerwoods
10,739 posts
66 months
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It'll have to look different to the 4 really - I wonder what form it will take - an odd Cube? 
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y2blade
46,239 posts
84 months
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james_tigerwoods said: It'll have to look different to the 4 really - I wonder what form it will take - an odd Cube? ....or a nice sphere!?
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ZesPak
11,484 posts
65 months
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Tycho said: hornetrider said: ZesPak said: hornetrider said: You can't have a satnav using data over the air. Why can't you? I've been using google turn-byturn NAV for over a year on a daily basis? Always up-to-date, very accurate and knows the location of just about anything. I'm on a 500MB contract and use about 300MB/month. Are you being serious?! That's massive data usage if used daily, what happens when you have no signal or are making a few turns in the city centre in quick succession over a data connection? Google Maps uses about 10Mb when I go from home to Somerset and it will get all the data and cache it locally if I start up the app in wifi coverage. You can also pre cache the map tiles on an Android handset if you know the area where you are going. The app downloads about 5 miles each side of the route IIRC. I guess ZesPak will be doing a lot of other data stuff with that 300Mb. If not, he's not getting close to the data limit on his contract so why not use it? Soon it will be like SMSs and be unlimited anyway. 300MB is indeed my monthly usage for everything, and I really don't have to look at it. My bet would be that I get about 100MB/month for my navigation, so that's 1/5th of my contract. Like Tycho said, I'm not getting close to my limit, and a lot of people are already on unlimited, so why should I care if it "just works"? We went to Italy last month though and bought CoPilot Live, very good app, on par with the google turn-by-turn, but maps are stored locally so no data usage. My only and biggest gripe were out of date maps and POI's, nearly a third of the restaurants/hotels in CoPilot were either gone, in a completely different location, or changed. Also, a google maps result of a certain area gave us over 30 restaurant in a 5 mile radius, on the CoPilot it gave us about 6 (of which, statistically, 2 were incorrect).
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Podie
38,379 posts
144 months
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hornetrider said: Different thread but the iPhone 5 needs to increase in size from the 4S I would have thought. Really? I wouldn't want anything larger / heavier.
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gazchap
850 posts
52 months
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The iOS6 Maps app uses vector-based map data, so the amount of data it needs to download over a 3G/data connection is much smaller than the Google Maps app, that used a tile-based image download.
The turn-by-turn navigation in 6 is pretty good based on the limited use I've had of it so far - haven't taken it into rural areas as such yet, but it seemed to handle it well enough. I assume it would cache as much of your route as it can when you first start the journey (which would likely be from home or somewhere else you have wifi/3G access.)
That said, I much prefer the level of detail in the Google Maps app. The different colours for the different classes of road are much easier to interpret from a quick glance, which is obviously very important when driving.
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ZesPak
11,484 posts
65 months
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Podie said: Really? I wouldn't want anything larger / heavier. heavier? I don't think that's possible. | iPhone 4s | Galaxy S2 | Galaxy Nexus | HTC One X | Galaxy S3 | | 3.5" | 4.3" | 4.65" | 4.7" | 4.8" | | 140g | 130g | 135g | 130g | 133g | As for size, I do think it'll get a little bigger, but it can actually grow to 4" easily without actually getting bigger.
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Tycho
7,983 posts
142 months
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gazchap said: The iOS6 Maps app uses vector-based map data, so the amount of data it needs to download over a 3G/data connection is much smaller than the Google Maps app, that used a tile-based image download.
The turn-by-turn navigation in 6 is pretty good based on the limited use I've had of it so far - haven't taken it into rural areas as such yet, but it seemed to handle it well enough. I assume it would cache as much of your route as it can when you first start the journey (which would likely be from home or somewhere else you have wifi/3G access.)
That said, I much prefer the level of detail in the Google Maps app. The different colours for the different classes of road are much easier to interpret from a quick glance, which is obviously very important when driving. Pretty sure Google maps on Android uses vector mapping but splits the data into tiles (10m x 10M chunks) so you can cache them.
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Podie
38,379 posts
144 months
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ZesPak said: Podie said: Really? I wouldn't want anything larger / heavier. heavier? I don't think that's possible. | iPhone 4s | Galaxy S2 | Galaxy Nexus | HTC One X | Galaxy S3 | | 3.5" | 4.3" | 4.65" | 4.7" | 4.8" | | 140g | 130g | 135g | 130g | 133g | As for size, I do think it'll get a little bigger, but it can actually grow to 4" easily without actually getting bigger. Surely it depends on construction? The new iPad is heavier than the iPad 2...
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james_tigerwoods
10,739 posts
66 months
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y2blade said: james_tigerwoods said: It'll have to look different to the 4 really - I wonder what form it will take - an odd Cube? ....or a nice sphere!?  An eyePhone - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_Killer_...“Ok! It’s $500, you have no choice of carrier, the battery can’t hold a charge and the reception isn’t very good..” Hmmmm.....
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Richyvrlimited
1,111 posts
32 months
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ZesPak said: heavier? I don't think that's possible. | iPhone 4s | Galaxy S2 | Galaxy Nexus | HTC One X | Galaxy S3 | | 3.5" | 4.3" | 4.65" | 4.7" | 4.8" | | 140g | 130g | 135g | 130g | 133g | As for size, I do think it'll get a little bigger, but it can actually grow to 4" easily without actually getting bigger. That's not right. There is no way an iPhone4s is only 10g heavier than a SGS2 (dad has the former, I have the latter). (I far prefer the heavier iPhone FWIW)
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gazchap
850 posts
52 months
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Tycho said: Pretty sure Google maps on Android uses vector mapping but splits the data into tiles (10m x 10M chunks) so you can cache them. Doesn't on iOS, though - as far as I'm aware anyway.
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N88
1,085 posts
48 months
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So many complaints and yet they are still taking over the smartphone/tablet market with ease. They are obviously doing something right! N88 (recently switched from iOS to Android )
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