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Phooey
Original Poster
6,102 posts
38 months
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Please forgive my lack of tech knowledge. This here 'retina' display the Pro comes with - do you benefit from it for standard web / internet use, or is it mainly for movies, games, photo's etc? Also, is the Pro a quicker machine in general (boot-up, web browsing etc) than the Air? Does the 15-inch with retina start at £1799? (I'm trying to get my head around a £300 increase for the retina display  ) Phooey  (4-year old white Macbook 10.5.8)
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DavidCane
704 posts
110 months
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You'll notice the hi res retina display in most things you do, epsecially webpages with text.
You'll notice it even more when you use another computer with a regular display as what was previously perfectly normal for you will seem old and outdated. That's what happened for me when I moved from iPad 1 to 3, then used a 1st gen Ipad again a few weeks later.
What it'll be really really good for is reviewing photos. Although still nothing near the resolution of a 15MP photo, it'll be a lot closer than any other laptop out there.
However, it is SOOOOO expensive.
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Phooey
Original Poster
6,102 posts
38 months
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Thanks for the reply David. I was due to buy an Air or MBP last year but was advised to wait for this 2012 model (i think it was originally scheduled for Feb / March) as it would probably be a big update. I was also told it was going to have some new processor (Ivy Bridge?). Out of interest, does this new MBP have the Ivy Bridge kit?
£1800 is generally overkill for a laptop for me and my use, but if it's as good as it sounds....
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va1o
11,534 posts
76 months
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I'm tempted to buy one to replace both my MBA and i7 desktop. Its more powerful and rolls the best of both worlds into one, looks like a really excellent machine.
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ajprice
7,214 posts
65 months
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Phooey said: Thanks for the reply David. I was due to buy an Air or MBP last year but was advised to wait for this 2012 model (i think it was originally scheduled for Feb / March) as it would probably be a big update. I was also told it was going to have some new processor (Ivy Bridge?). Out of interest, does this new MBP have the Ivy Bridge kit?
£1800 is generally overkill for a laptop for me and my use, but if it's as good as it sounds.... Yes the new MBPs and Airs are Ivy Bridge, the Airs use ULV low power versions though, not the full power versions in the MBP.
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x5x3
1,477 posts
122 months
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according to other forums - the Ram is soldered in on the new MBP - so no cheap upgrading of RAM - I really hope this is not true
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Podie
38,370 posts
144 months
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x5x3 said: according to other forums - the Ram is soldered in on the new MBP - so no cheap upgrading of RAM - I really hope this is not true Sadly, I suspect this will be the way forward - as per MBA.
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MorrisCRX
585 posts
62 months
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Don't believe doubling the res is worth the performance sacrifice unless you sit with the laptop strapped to your face. [edit] Not being able to upgrade what used to be the performance laptop is toss. They really like f  king over the people that actually use mbp's in anger not just as a fashion accessory.
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Phooey
Original Poster
6,102 posts
38 months
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ajprice said: Yes the new MBPs and Airs are Ivy Bridge, the Airs use ULV low power versions though, not the full power versions in the MBP. Thanks
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va1o
11,534 posts
76 months
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Podie said: Sadly, I suspect this will be the way forward - as per MBA. It is frustrating, my MBA has only 2GB and I'd love to put in 4GB/ 8GB especially since DDR3 RAM has got so cheap, but obviously no way of doing it. I suppose it is so they can justify the rip-off factory upgrade prices.
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Podie
38,370 posts
144 months
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va1o said: Podie said: Sadly, I suspect this will be the way forward - as per MBA. It is frustrating, my MBA has only 2GB and I'd love to put in 4GB/ 8GB especially since DDR3 RAM has got so cheap, but obviously no way of doing it. I suppose it is so they can justify the rip-off factory upgrade prices. Technical reason is it allows for a thinner laptop...
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x5x3
1,477 posts
122 months
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Podie said: va1o said: Podie said: Sadly, I suspect this will be the way forward - as per MBA. It is frustrating, my MBA has only 2GB and I'd love to put in 4GB/ 8GB especially since DDR3 RAM has got so cheap, but obviously no way of doing it. I suppose it is so they can justify the rip-off factory upgrade prices. Technical reason is it allows for a thinner laptop... which is fine for the MBA but it is a shame for the MBP, I know they have pretty much dropped the P bit, I'd rather it was 0.00000001 inch thicker and had upgradeability
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Podie
38,370 posts
144 months
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x5x3 said: Podie said: va1o said: Podie said: Sadly, I suspect this will be the way forward - as per MBA. It is frustrating, my MBA has only 2GB and I'd love to put in 4GB/ 8GB especially since DDR3 RAM has got so cheap, but obviously no way of doing it. I suppose it is so they can justify the rip-off factory upgrade prices. Technical reason is it allows for a thinner laptop... which is fine for the MBA but it is a shame for the MBP, I know they have pretty much dropped the P bit, I'd rather it was 0.00000001 inch thicker and had upgradeability Agreed.
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KaraK
10,594 posts
78 months
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As nice as the new high-res screen is I can't help but feel that they have gone too "air-like" in some of the cuts. Having to carry around external drives just to get some decent space and adaptors so you can plug into a wired network is a bit on the annoying side.
Also I'm hearing rumors that the RAM isn't upgradable?
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qube_TA
6,606 posts
114 months
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The higher resolution gives you a lot more desktop real estate to play with.
I'm very interested to see how well Logic looks on it as it's a bit of a struggle on my current 15" machine.
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x5x3
1,477 posts
122 months
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qube_TA
6,606 posts
114 months
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that's a bit poo, 8GB is likely to be enough for most.
Do think stuff that's designed to just be binned and replaced if there's ever a fault is a bit wasteful, sign of the times I guess.
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Podie
38,370 posts
144 months
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x5x3 said: That article would suggest that it's cheaper to give a replacement under warranty, than it is to fix it.
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KaraK
10,594 posts
78 months
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x5x3 said: I understand their reasoning - it pushes people to buy the higher spec straight off rather than buy the basic one and then upgrade when it gets a bit longer in the tooth (or buy basic and buy twice I guess) but it's still a shame IMO
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MorrisCRX
585 posts
62 months
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qube_TA said: The higher resolution gives you a lot more desktop real estate to play with. how so? UI will just be scaled.
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