New Tablet manufactured by Microsoft - 'Surface'
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So true.
But, imo it's not a bad evolution, as, as the image says, the screen contains all the good stuff.
I think nobody would complain that their 11" macbook air becomes an iPad if you disconnect the keyboard, would they?
In fact, I bet 10 million would be sold out before they even launched it.
I'm looking forward to this release very much!
ZesPak said:
So true.
But, imo it's not a bad evolution, as, as the image says, the screen contains all the good stuff.
I think nobody would complain that their 11" macbook air becomes an iPad if you disconnect the keyboard, would they?
In fact, I bet 10 million would be sold out before they even launched it.
I'm looking forward to this release very much!
TheHeretic said:
Could they not just use a file manager app to grab the files they want on the computer in question, just as I can access my own computer, or other peoples computers, on the network, or over the Internet? Like this...
Job jobbed. It can access all sorts of servers, cloud based storage, webDAV, FTP, SSH, etc...
ITWS looked into it but couldn't find one that hooked up with AD correctly.Job jobbed. It can access all sorts of servers, cloud based storage, webDAV, FTP, SSH, etc...
After that, most office suites don't support all MS office files/formats correctly, and when they adjust them and save them on the tablet, often functionality/layout is lost.
I just came from a board meeting (I'm a contractor at a big communications company) in which was decided to use OneNote as a tool to keep track of the meeting minutes, tablet users groaned. The problem is they couldn't give an alternative without giving in on functionality.
Anyway, a proper working Windows tablet would be perfect, I have lots of customers and most support "bring your own device", but support on the network is limited to Windows and if you're lucky OSX. iOS/Android/WP often just get "internet", no network access whatsoever.
TheHeretic said:
The nay issue I can see with the i5 tablets, is cooling. It's all very well having a laptop whirring away, but a tablet tends to be quite confined, and closed. Having fans and vent ports may make it 'odd', and you may as well buy an ultra book. Has cooling advanced to the point where that would not be an issue?
Agreed, I'm very curious as to how they are going to "solve" this. I do understand that the modern batch of processors produce much less heat (due to their die shrink). Though enough to be kept passively in a Tablet? I doubt so.Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 20th June 11:15
freecar said:
Why don't (some of) you wait until there are proper reviews before condemning the product for having insufficient cooling.
It's a bit rough to already be stating that they would have heat problems when no reviews are available.
Sorry, I think I was defending this "surface" concept for the most part.It's a bit rough to already be stating that they would have heat problems when no reviews are available.
Speculating on how they are going to deal with the heat generation of an i5 is part of the fun
.This is btw a thermal image of the iPad '3' vs the iPad 2, and that has nowhere near the heat production of a decent i5:
ZesPak said:
freecar said:
Why don't (some of) you wait until there are proper reviews before condemning the product for having insufficient cooling.
It's a bit rough to already be stating that they would have heat problems when no reviews are available.
Sorry, I think I was defending this "surface" concept for the most part.It's a bit rough to already be stating that they would have heat problems when no reviews are available.
Speculating on how they are going to deal with the heat generation of an i5 is part of the fun
.This is btw a thermal image of the iPad '3' vs the iPad 2, and that has nowhere near the heat production of a decent i5:
No problems wondering how their cooling systems are going to work but poor form to already condemn them as having cooling issues, again pointing no fingers!
Popolou said:
ZesPak said:
We have several iPads set-up here.
The main problem seems to be when someone brings their iPad to a meeting -not needing a laptop apparently-, is when someone says: I posted an updated file on the location \\x\y\z.
In fact, that's one of the main questions we get on a nearly daily basis. A "true" Windows tablet would solve this for us. I don't know if the ARM would do this, but I think it'll have the same kind of limitations the iPad has.
It's a good device for the sofa, and does nearly everything you'd want at home, but on the workfloor you meet the limitations pretty fast. A full-Windows tablet, like the i5 one is supposed to be, could be the answer for us.
Which is why I've mostly seen full deployments of iPad devices using some form of terminal service/rdp to...you guessed it, a windows enviro.The main problem seems to be when someone brings their iPad to a meeting -not needing a laptop apparently-, is when someone says: I posted an updated file on the location \\x\y\z.
In fact, that's one of the main questions we get on a nearly daily basis. A "true" Windows tablet would solve this for us. I don't know if the ARM would do this, but I think it'll have the same kind of limitations the iPad has.
It's a good device for the sofa, and does nearly everything you'd want at home, but on the workfloor you meet the limitations pretty fast. A full-Windows tablet, like the i5 one is supposed to be, could be the answer for us.
I'm keen on replacing a whole swath of laptops with the pro version for front desk staff. As said above, this is far more in keeping with our domain security and management needs.
freecar said:
No apologies necessary, I deliberately didn't quote anybody just providing some food for thought!
No problems wondering how their cooling systems are going to work but poor form to already condemn them as having cooling issues, again pointing no fingers!
No-one is condemning them, just curious how they will deal with it. No problems wondering how their cooling systems are going to work but poor form to already condemn them as having cooling issues, again pointing no fingers!
I'm not sure cooling is going to be the issue that you think. I have an Ultrabook with one of the ultra low voltage I5 processors and the fan only comes on when I am doing work with Photoshop or Lightroom. For normal Windows use and general "tablet" use it is never on (certainly not audible). The Ivy Bridge chips produce less heat than the Sandy Bridge in my machine as well.
Edit to add, the case never gets uncomfortable to the touch either.
Edit to add, the case never gets uncomfortable to the touch either.
wolves_wanderer said:
I'm not sure cooling is going to be the issue that you think. I have an Ultrabook with one of the ultra low voltage I5 processors and the fan only comes on when I am doing work with Photoshop or Lightroom. For normal Windows use and general "tablet" use it is never on (certainly not audible). The Ivy Bridge chips produce less heat than the Sandy Bridge in my machine as well.
Edit to add, the case never gets uncomfortable to the touch either.
I truly hope they can make this work, that'd be fantastic.Edit to add, the case never gets uncomfortable to the touch either.
If they can get such an apparatus to work, it shows just why on earth they bothered with "Metro". "Metro" is made for this type of device.
Anyway, very eager to have a go.
Like I said, if Apple could make something similar work (MBA with detachable keyboard -> iPad), it'd be a sales success no doubt. The biggest issue these devices (this one, transformer prime,...) face imho is the weight of the screen vs the weight of the keyboard. Hence the "support" integrated in this one of course...
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