iPhone 6

[AstonZagato]

I know that if I buy a new iPhone, I can plug it in, put in my iCloud details and it will have my contacts, music, apps, preferences, etc. immediately on the new phone. Everything will work exactly the way I like it.

The embuggeration factor of moving to Android is too high.

[audi321]

I don't buy this "I'm getting an iphone cos I've got a mac, etc, etc" They work just as well with a windows machine.

However, I've had every iphone since the original. I have tried Android on 2 occasions (Note and S4 - Both similar priced to iphones). The Samsungs just feel cheap and plastic'y compared the an iphone and they dropped in value like a stone compared to the iphones which maintained most of their resale value after a year! Android is over complicated and not slick like IOS. Yes IOS has it's downsides (itunes being the main one) but then so does Android (freezing and complicated to use).

Will I be getting the iphone 6???? YEP! On launch day! in 4.7" size Can't wait!

[ZesPak]

Butter Face said:

Not exactly, there's some small differences that the phone geeks would be worried about.

Mostly it's because the 5C looks gash in comparison to the 5S

Are there? I'm in the business and I was convinced it was just a re-skinned "5".

The thought being that the 5S isn't really that much better or has a decent USP over the then current 5, so they "demoted" the 5 into plastic to convince people to go for the 5S...

Edited by ZesPak on Friday 8th August 13:04

[HTP99]

ZesPak said:

Butter Face said:

Not exactly, there's some small differences that the phone geeks would be worried about.

Mostly it's because the 5C looks gash in comparison to the 5S

Are there? I'm in the business and I was convinced it was just a re-skinned "5".

I'm positive too that it is a reskinned 5.

[ajprice]

HTP99 said:

ZesPak said:

Butter Face said:

Not exactly, there's some small differences that the phone geeks would be worried about.

Mostly it's because the 5C looks gash in comparison to the 5S

Are there? I'm in the business and I was convinced it was just a re-skinned "5".

I'm positive too that it is a reskinned 5.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/iphone/iphon...

Slight differences between the old 5 and current 5c.

[nikaiyo2]

I don't get the Android fan argument, that it allows you to do so much more... What exactly does it allow you to do and why do you want to do it?

Genuine question, as i am in the market for an upgrade and found android to be really annoying in the past.

[Pixel-Snapper]

ajprice said:

HTP99 said:

ZesPak said:

Butter Face said:

Not exactly, there's some small differences that the phone geeks would be worried about.

Mostly it's because the 5C looks gash in comparison to the 5S

Are there? I'm in the business and I was convinced it was just a re-skinned "5".

I'm positive too that it is a reskinned 5.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/iphone/iphon...

Slight differences between the old 5 and current 5c.

Certainly feels much different to hold between 5 and 5c.

[durbster]

nikaiyo2 said:

I don't get the Android fan argument, that it allows you to do so much more... What exactly does it allow you to do and why do you want to do it?

Here are my reasons for choosing Android:

• DLNA - I can connect my phone to any of my home devices; send music to the wifi radio, YouTube videos to the TV etc. I can do this without having to buy from one manufacturer.

• I can set up any number of phone modes - my phone automatically changes settings depending on whether I'm at work, home, in the car etc. I've also set up a power saving mode that I can use when I know I'll be away from a charger for a while.

• Limitless automation: when I get home and connect to wifi, my phone automatically copies up any photos I've taken that day to my NAS.

• You can set up different user profiles e.g. on our home tablet my son has his own user profile which just has some games on it, my wife has another with her stuff.

• You can set up my own gestures; I've set it up so that if I shake my phone left-right to launch the camera for example (which is handy if you only have one hand free).

• There is a massive choice of devices.

• You don't have to use iTunes.

• Widgets. I've got a calendar, to-do list, weather and torch widgets that are used daily (well, maybe not the torch ).

• You have (arguably) useful features like smart stay.

• In my opinion Android is way ahead of iOS in terms of ideas (e.g. notifications)

• There's no built-in obsolesence (deliberately making the latest version of iOS run like ste on devices a couple of generations old)

Bear in mind this is all standard Android stuff and mostly on a phone that was launched in 2011. I haven't rooted my phone or anything like that.

I also can't see any reason to pay the Apple premium. When I was looking at new tablets recently I couldn't see anything the iPad Mini did that a similarly priced Android tablet didn't do better.

Disclaimer: I think iOS is an excellent OS and Apple make decent kit, but I don't think they live up to their own hype.

[Debaser]

TheAngryDog said:

I don't get it. I used to be an iPhone user, but a year with an Android phone and I cannot see me going back. I was on the train from Euston yesterday, 6 people around me with their phones out, all iPhones.

There doesn't seem to be any standout features and it has taken 2 years or so for Apple to "catch up" with the screen size.

You pay a premium for an iPhone over any other phone as well.

Do people buy them because they're hooked on the Apple brand and think they have to have it to be "cool"? Are the people that buy them lacking in originality or are just sheep?

I had an iPhone 4 as there was nothing out at the time that seemed as good. I went to an iPhone 5 stupidly when I shouldve gone to an Android phone.

I know most phones now have the same sort of features, so why pay extra for an iPhone? It doesn't even look good!

I bought my first iPhone because a lot of my colleagues had them and they looked useful. I'm sure if they'd all had Android phones I'd have one of them instead.

Now I'm used to using it and making it do what I want I can't be bothered learning how to use something else, so I'll stick with Apple. I'm sure that probably makes me a sheep but I don't care.

I have a laptop that runs windows. I know how to make it do what I want and I can't be bothered learning how to use something else, which is why I won't replace it with an Apple laptop. I guess that makes me a sheep too?

Simply - I'm too lazy to change from using an iPhone.

[bulldog5046]

nikaiyo2 said:

I don't get the Android fan argument, that it allows you to do so much more... What exactly does it allow you to do and why do you want to do it?

Genuine question, as i am in the market for an upgrade and found android to be really annoying in the past.

I think it's the difference between having a device that is nice and just works Vs one that you can customize to your hearts content.

The pseudo geek's tend to go for the Android and the rest for the iPhone...

[Original Poster]

Why do Android users constantly try and persuade iPhone users to switch over? I just don't get it.

I have absolutely zero interest in Android based phones therefore I don't waste time reading topics about them, clearly not the case with everyone.

[ZesPak]

bulldog5046 said:

I think it's the difference between having a device that is nice and just works Vs one that you can customize to your hearts content.

The pseudo geek's tend to go for the Android and the rest for the iPhone...

This is age-old and completely incorrect.

My sister, mother and MIL all are complete numpties and get along with their android devices just fine. Android just works. Attachments opening, downloading and re-sending them? Just works. Loading an MP3 on it (in a plethora of ways)? Just works. Using said MP3 as a ringtone? Just works. On a vacation, exchanging a couple of pictures over bluetooth transfer? You know...

My daily runners are a 4S and a Nexus 5 and the 4S is so frustrating to do just the most basic things it's infuriating. Eg, I received a small file on my phone that I needed on a computer that was locked into a pretty tight network. I had no data on my N5 (overseas) Not possible. Just not. I ended up tethering my N5 to my 4S so that I could just plug in the usb cable to the computer and get it off the N5.

The iPhone is a nice device and it's ok for your contacts and calendar and the most basic of browsing. Anything more, Android and even WP beat it hands down.

Even if you are a basic user and have no need for a decent notification system, a good keyboard or the possibility to change your default map app to google fking maps, it still means you have a lot of choice in your devices. The Moto G for example is a beast of a phone, the display is ok (by which I mean it's only as good as a 5S one, albeit bigger) but it's extremely smooth and it's very easy to work with and set up. Battery is miles better. I think it's the cost of 1/4th of a 5S, where the 5S only has it beat in camera department.

Original Poster said:

Why do Android users constantly try and persuade iPhone users to switch over? I just don't get it.

I have absolutely zero interest in Android based phones therefore I don't waste time reading topics about them, clearly not the case with everyone.

As a user of both, I know Apple can do better than the stuff they are bringing out. Either they are completely losing it and just caching in on brand loyalty or they are holding back some great stuff.
There's no way a company with the resources of Apple has to limp behind in functionality like they do. Every release I get the feeling they just stopped trying and are milking it.

Edited by ZesPak on Friday 8th August 14:36

[ali_kat]

Debaser said:

Now I'm used to using it and making it do what I want I can't be bothered learning how to use something else, so I'll stick with Apple. I'm sure that probably makes me a sheep but I don't care.

I have a laptop that runs windows. I know how to make it do what I want and I can't be bothered learning how to use something else, which is why I won't replace it with an Apple laptop. I guess that makes me a sheep too?

Simply - I'm too lazy to change from using an iPhone.

This is me too

Hurry up! I need a new phone, this one is 2 now & playing up

[TheAngryDog]

NDA said:

If you buy into the Apple ecosystem, then an iPhone is an obvious choice.

I switched a while ago to have nothing but Apple products - an iMac, a MacBook, iPad and iPhone.... the things just work. But then I only want email, browsing, phone and address book. I don't need to delve into any other functions.

Never had any problems with any of my various iPhones over the years - so I'll stick with them.

Indeed, and the iPhone does pretty much just work, but that doesn't mean I'll go out and buy one, especially as my HTC One (M7) worked straight out of the box as well. I don't do a lot with my phone, but I prefer the larger size, easier to copy files around etc etc than the experience that I had with my iPhone.

The issue I see with the Apple products you have is the cost. I could buy all that in Android / Windows flavour and have change to go out and not marvel over my Apple products (this is a joke btw!)

Butter Face said:

Do people still say this 'OMG people who buy iPhones are sheep' thing?

I thought that died years ago.

I use an iPhone because it works. I like the OS, I'm not 'tied to iTunes' (I can't remember the last time I used iTunes), I think they look good (if that's eve a requirement).

My colleague has a new Samsung Galaxy S5, It's a nice phone, has a nice OS, nice camera and looks nice, much like my iPhone, and it was around the same price. Shock.

I don't say OMG, but you have to admit, people queuing up for hours or days so that they can be one of the first to have the next iDevice are quite sad and are sheep joining the herd.

I do not like the S5 personally, it feels very cheap. TBH, Apple hit the sweet spot for me with the iPhone 4.

Re the prices, was you comparing the price of an S5 against the price of the 5S from when it was launched, or the price now?

HorneyMX5 said:

While a lot of it is down to social status some us have them because we do really like them.

I have an IP5 as my personal phone and SGS3 as my work phone. I don't get on with Andriod and I find iOS much easier and logical to use. I also don't like windows very much and prefer OSX on my macbook. None of them are perfect but I just gel better with Apple products, maybe because I've been an Apple user since 86. I guess the really clincher for me is with a Macbook, an appleTV, 3 x iPods, 2 x iPads and 2 x iPhones in the househld it all works together with no dramas to the point my technophobe wife can stream stuff to the TV without askign me eery 5 minutes how things work. That sort of thing is worth it's weight in gold. COuld I get a combo of Andriod and Windows stuff to do the same? Without a doubt but I suspect it make take a little more configuration but that's no biggie, but why would I? I have an ecosystem I like, that works and fulfills my needs.

iOS IS easy to use. I haven't said it isn't, I found it very intuitive when I first picked up an iPhone, but then so is Android.

It would be very easy to configure all these I am sure. I have never been bothered enough to do it, but thats me. The fact you have been an Apple user since 1986 will have an affect, and you're far from the type of person my post was aimed towards. You've been used to an ecosystem for nearly 30 years, it makes sense to stick with it. I am however quite sure that if you'd gone down the MS-DOS, Windows, Android/WP phone route, you could have typed out your post above with pretty much just replacing the products.

AstonZagato said:

I know that if I buy a new iPhone, I can plug it in, put in my iCloud details and it will have my contacts, music, apps, preferences, etc. immediately on the new phone. Everything will work exactly the way I like it.

The embuggeration factor of moving to Android is too high.

Drop box and Google contacts work for Android. I never managed / bothered to back up my music when I had an iPhone, didnt see the point of using up my 5gb of iCloud for it.

audi321 said:

I don't buy this "I'm getting an iphone cos I've got a mac, etc, etc" They work just as well with a windows machine.

However, I've had every iphone since the original. I have tried Android on 2 occasions (Note and S4 - Both similar priced to iphones). The Samsungs just feel cheap and plastic'y compared the an iphone and they dropped in value like a stone compared to the iphones which maintained most of their resale value after a year! Android is over complicated and not slick like IOS. Yes IOS has it's downsides (itunes being the main one) but then so does Android (freezing and complicated to use).

Will I be getting the iphone 6???? YEP! On launch day! in 4.7" size Can't wait!

Having had an iPhone from the start kind of exonerates you from my original post - you're sticking with what you've known for a while, nothing wrong with that. I've never had an issue with Android freezing on my HTC, and tbh, you could've picked a better brand than Samsung, which is full of bloatwere etc. Agreed that iPhones do hold a value, though I only managed to sell my 16gb iPhone 5 for £300 last year, less than what I thought I would get.

Will you be one of the sad people queuing up all night to get the phone before anyone else?

nikaiyo2 said:

I don't get the Android fan argument, that it allows you to do so much more... What exactly does it allow you to do and why do you want to do it?

Genuine question, as i am in the market for an upgrade and found android to be really annoying in the past.

It allows me to move files across to my Windows laptop easier, I can make it more "mine", more free apps, you can now also add additional storage, not tied to iTunes, the list goes on!

Ateotd, you'll probably choose and iPhone.

Debaser said:

I bought my first iPhone because a lot of my colleagues had them and they looked useful. I'm sure if they'd all had Android phones I'd have one of them instead.

Now I'm used to using it and making it do what I want I can't be bothered learning how to use something else, so I'll stick with Apple. I'm sure that probably makes me a sheep but I don't care.

I have a laptop that runs windows. I know how to make it do what I want and I can't be bothered learning how to use something else, which is why I won't replace it with an Apple laptop. I guess that makes me a sheep too?

Simply - I'm too lazy to change from using an iPhone.

Not exactly a sheep, but lets be honest, until the last 5 or so years the only laptop of choice really was a Windows laptop. Its also familiarity with what you know, and Windows laptops are A LOT cheaper than MacBooks.

bulldog5046 said:

I think it's the difference between having a device that is nice and just works Vs one that you can customize to your hearts content.

The pseudo geek's tend to go for the Android and the rest for the iPhone...

Both worked for me out of the box, Android is a lot better than when it first came out. Android phones are nice, there is a lot of choice, and not everyone who is a geek owns one (I dont even own a laptop and dislike computers in general).

Original Poster said:

Why do Android users constantly try and persuade iPhone users to switch over? I just don't get it.

I have absolutely zero interest in Android based phones therefore I don't waste time reading topics about them, clearly not the case with everyone.

Rubbish. I had a post recently about it being hard to choose an Android phone and quite a few replies were telling me to get an iPhone - it works both ways. There will always be AppleFanBoi's and AndroidFanBoi's.

As it happens I was interested in the iPhone 6, but it looks like a bigger iPhone 5, and I didn't gel with that. There is no variety!

Oh, and to the person who mentioned about my spelling of aesthetically, thats largely because I didnt know how to spell it

[BrabusMog]

That would be me

[spats]

Gen question for the non iphone users. How the hell do you live with these massive handsets? Ok not all are bigger than the iphone, but all this big screen thing, do you have tardis like pockets or what?

I have stuck so far to the iphone as its size and features and just-workability is all I need, but I've looked at some of the these android phones and they just dont fit in the pocket and thats without any kind of case too.

[ZesPak]

spats said:

Gen question for the non iphone users. How the hell do you live with these massive handsets? Ok not all are bigger than the iphone, but all this big screen thing, do you have tardis like pockets or what?

I have stuck so far to the iphone as its size and features and just-workability is all I need, but I've looked at some of the these android phones and they just dont fit in the pocket and thats without any kind of case too.

The iPhone has a pretty poor screen-to-bezel ratio, which means that the phones are big for their respective screen sizes.
I had a 3GS first, then a 4.3" SGS2. The SGS2 was actually slimmer (better shape?) and a lot less noticable in my pocket (had to double check every time). After that I had my biggest phone yet, an Oppo Find 5. It was a heavy bugger (felt heavy) but I actually never had any problems in my pockets (costumes nor jeans). I have a nexus 5 and a 4S now, and the N5 actually is less noticable in the pocket than my 4S due to the shape (sharp edges on the iphone) and weight.

As for the use, I use my phones as GPS and small computers and the 4S is frustrating to use, also due to the small size. If I just needed a phone, yes, I'd probably have a small Nokia/Samsung cheap non-smartphone thing. But for a smartphone that I use mostly as a mini-computer, give me a bigger screen everyday of the week.

People that talk about phone size in your pocket are:

1. Women (because of the impossible pockets in their pants)
2. People who actually never tried to fit an HTC One/N5/SGS5/...

I have a friend who has to wear a costume to work everyday and he has no problem fitting his Note 3 in his pants.

It's a complete non-issue tbh. iPhone loyalist will echo this in a couple of months.

Edited by ZesPak on Friday 8th August 16:40

[TheAngryDog]

Agreed with ZesPak, I've never had an issue with my HTC One in my pocket. When I had an iPhone 4/5, I had a case on it and it felt huge really. My HTC One M7 in the real world isnt that much bigger, yet the screen is bigger. My gf had a HTC One X and I had an iPhone 5, and when I put the phones together there was hardly anything in it, but the screen on her phone was massively different.

[HTP99]

My Lumia 920 has a 4.7" screen and the actual phone itself is 5.5" across the diagonal and I have no issue with pockets; shorts, jeans, trousers etc the only downside is it is too big for a shirt breast pocket however my old phones always fell out anyway when I bent down so it's better that it now sits in a trouser pocket.

[HenryJM]

Why don't we all just buy the phones we want and marvel at the way that as individuals we all have differences?

Do people do this with other stuff? Get heated about what trousers other people buy, or what pen? Why get so worked up about what others use for their phone? Why care? You aren't a better or worse person for choosing one over another yet it almost sounds as if some people will disown others if they buy the 'wrong' one.