iPhone 6

[DoctorX]

Chim said:

Just got the new 6, not all impressed to be honest. I suspect had Steve been alive and they stuck this on his desk it would have went straight in the bin. Can imagine his comments being along the lines of "when you came to work this morning did it read Samsung across the door…no…. well fk off then and don't come back till you have designed an Apple product, we lead, we don't follow"

Were you given it or did you think it was st and bought it anyway?

[Chim]

DoctorX said:

Chim said:

Just got the new 6, not all impressed to be honest. I suspect had Steve been alive and they stuck this on his desk it would have went straight in the bin. Can imagine his comments being along the lines of "when you came to work this morning did it read Samsung across the door…no…. well fk off then and don't come back till you have designed an Apple product, we lead, we don't follow"

Were you given it or did you think it was st and bought it anyway?

Nope, love apple products, always have. All my laptops, etc are apple, would be a pain in the arse to change. Also still a fan of the OS, does not change the fact that the new 6 is not up to Apple standards, nothing new, nothing innovative just following trends and other products

[DoctorX]

Chim said:

Nope, love apple products, always have. All my laptops, etc are apple, would be a pain in the arse to change. Also still a fan of the OS, does not change the fact that the new 6 is not up to Apple standards, nothing new, nothing innovative just following trends and other products

Fair enough. Apple have got this business cracked haven't they when people will give them £500+ for something they don't like or need but will buy anyway! Not a criticism, I'm £619 down too.....

[Chim]

DoctorX said:

Chim said:

Nope, love apple products, always have. All my laptops, etc are apple, would be a pain in the arse to change. Also still a fan of the OS, does not change the fact that the new 6 is not up to Apple standards, nothing new, nothing innovative just following trends and other products

Fair enough. Apple have got this business cracked haven't they when people will give them £500+ for something they don't like or need but will buy anyway! Not a criticism, I'm £619 down too.....

Totally, tied in to the brand now. Come upgrade time it is the easy option, they need to see the sales figures slide before they start putting the effort in again me thinks, that said, its not the easiest thing in the world to keep coming out with the next new thing, they could though have done a lot more with the technology that out there already though.

[Jon999]

Still haven't got my 64GB in Grey from Buymobiles.

My pre-order with Phones4U was cancelled before it collected any funds, heard that they are no longer refunding people. Wouldn't have been a problem as it was on a credit card but still pretty shoddy if they knew about it on Friday before it folded on Sunday which rumour has it they did.

[BenM77]

Chim said:

Totally, tied in to the brand now. Come upgrade time it is the easy option, they need to see the sales figures slide before they start putting the effort in again me thinks, that said, its not the easiest thing in the world to keep coming out with the next new thing, they could though have done a lot more with the technology that out there already though.

I have all Apple kit in my house but I don't feel tied in with their phones. I would never stop using their computers but that's a different thread.



Just my opinion but they needed to keep a premium 4" rather than drop it for the larger screen. If this meant 3 sizes then so be it.

As for innovation, I personally don't believe that is what most iPhone users are looking for. Certainly not me anyway.

Top build quality.
Small improvements on camera, screen and internals.
Better battery.
IOS updates that improve user experience.

These small and achievable upgrades would keep most iPhone users happy IMO.

[Blown2CV]

Well if the new iPhone is st, you can bet the next new MacBook will be too.

[RobM77]

BenM77 said:

Chim said:

Totally, tied in to the brand now. Come upgrade time it is the easy option, they need to see the sales figures slide before they start putting the effort in again me thinks, that said, its not the easiest thing in the world to keep coming out with the next new thing, they could though have done a lot more with the technology that out there already though.

I have all Apple kit in my house but I don't feel tied in with their phones. I would never stop using their computers but that's a different thread.



Just my opinion but they needed to keep a premium 4" rather than drop it for the larger screen. If this meant 3 sizes then so be it.

As for innovation, I personally don't believe that is what most iPhone users are looking for. Certainly not me anyway.

Top build quality.
Small improvements on camera, screen and internals.
Better battery.
IOS updates that improve user experience.

These small and achievable upgrades would keep most iPhone users happy IMO.

That's a very good point. As a fan of the iPhone and iPod, along with my wife and virtually all my friends that I can think of right now, I can say that I/we do not want innovation particularly as a priority in our next phone. The whole point of Apple devices surely is that they function in a clear logical way and excel at the basics of what people want to do, coupled with good build quality (not plastic for starters!) - they're the Porsche of the phone world I guess in that respect in that they have conservative design, good build quality and they wait for tech top be perfected before using it, rather than being flash or showy etc. I don't particularly want my phone to do anything cutting edge or fancy, I just want the bits of tech that work well to be presented in a logical and clear manner so I can use it in my daily life quickly and efficiently; I don't want to tinker with something like I might do the latest bit of software at work, my phone is a tool, not a development project. I find Android extremely confusing and un-intuitive and no doubt I'd find the latest bit of tech that only partly works quite frustrating (for the record, I think SIRI does work, despite criticisms, and I use it all the time).

So yes, like you, I wanted the iPhone 6 to be lighter, faster, slimmer and with incremental improvements in the screen, camera etc and that's about it. The increased size disappointed me, but I think I may grow to like it once I have one (I don't have much other choice as most other phones are bigger, and they run Android, which I don't get along with at all).

Edited by RobM77 on Monday 29th September 22:49

[bodhi]

RobM77 said:

That's a very good point. As a fan of the iPhone and iPod, along with my wife and virtually all my friends that I can think of right now, I can say that I/we do not want innovation particularly as a priority in our next phone. The whole point of Apple devices surely is that they function in a clear logical way and excel at the basics of what people want to do, coupled with good build quality (not plastic for starters!) - they're the Porsche of the phone world I guess in that respect in that they have conservative design, good build quality and they wait for tech top be perfected before using it, rather than being flash or showy etc. I don't particularly want my phone to do anything cutting edge or fancy, I just want the bits of tech that work well to be presented in a logical and clear manner so I can use it in my daily life quickly and efficiently; I don't want to tinker with something like I might do the latest bit of software at work, my phone is a tool, not a development project. I find Android extremely confusing and un-intuitive and no doubt I'd find the latest bit of tech that only partly works quite frustrating (for the record, I think SIRI does work, despite criticisms, and I use it all the time).

So yes, like you, I wanted the iPhone 6 to be lighter, faster, slimmer and with incremental improvements in the screen, camera etc and that's about it. The increased size disappointed me, but I think I may grow to like it once I have one (I don't have much other choice as most other phones are bigger, and they run Android, which I don't get along with at all).

Edited by RobM77 on Monday 29th September 22:49

For the record, I have an 18 month old Android phone, and everything works, exactly as it should. I don't really try to use it to find the latest bit of tech, or what new cool stuff I can do with it. It is, like you say, an everyday tool. And it works fking superbly.

[XJSJohn]

regarding the "tied to the brand" thing, may be interesting (or not) to know that windows mobile 8.1 can use iTunes to do all its sync, backup and playlist generation etc exactly the same as if it were an iPhone. (as well as using OneDrive direct to the cloud)

[ZesPak]

XJSJohn said:

regarding the "tied to the brand" thing, may be interesting (or not) to know that windows mobile 8.1 can use iTunes to do all its sync, backup and playlist generation etc exactly the same as if it were an iPhone. (as well as using OneDrive direct to the cloud)

I really don't see the need for iTunes anymore for syncing, even on my iPhone?
Or am I missing a trick here?

[AB]

vescaegg said:

I have noticed since getting it that I can basically never go straight back to an internet tab without the whole page reloading. Could this be down to that? Dont remember this happening on my 5 to be honest.

Edited by vescaegg on Monday 29th September 14:36

This has been pissing me off with both iPhone 5 and iPad since the beginning of time!

[XJSJohn]

ZesPak said:

XJSJohn said:

regarding the "tied to the brand" thing, may be interesting (or not) to know that windows mobile 8.1 can use iTunes to do all its sync, backup and playlist generation etc exactly the same as if it were an iPhone. (as well as using OneDrive direct to the cloud)

I really don't see the need for iTunes anymore for syncing, even on my iPhone?
Or am I missing a trick here?

TBH i raise this because the only thing i like about it is that all my playlists are still stuck in itunes from many moons ago and its nice to be able to pick and choose what playlists i am in the mood for that day and upload them.

so its more of a music management tool and still there through laziness that i cannot be arsed to import out to something else. .... still, nice that the windows phone talks with it.

[Esseesse]

Chim said:

Nope, love apple products, always have. All my laptops, etc are apple, would be a pain in the arse to change. Also still a fan of the OS, does not change the fact that the new 6 is not up to Apple standards, nothing new, nothing innovative just following trends and other products

Apple A8? Apple Pay is/will be significant IMO.

[RobM77]

bodhi said:

For the record, I have an 18 month old Android phone, and everything works, exactly as it should. I don't really try to use it to find the latest bit of tech, or what new cool stuff I can do with it. It is, like you say, an everyday tool. And it works fking superbly.

Sorry, I didn't mean to infer anything about Android vs iOS, just to back up the point that was made regarding new tech and the fact that I don't see it as a must in a new phone. Given that's opinion is shared by others on that, I don't see it as a bad thing that the IP6 didn't break any boundaries or do something new - to criticise it as such is missing the point for a large number of Apple users, who just want to use iOS and do so faster with a lighter and thinner phone. I obviously do recognise the need for progress though, but it shouldnt be at the cost of usability. I did comment on how I personally get on with Android though, and to that end I don't; I find it fiddly, un-intuitive and confusing (and I really have tried with it!). That's bound to be a personal thing though, as judging an HCI is unavoidably largely subjective.

[ZesPak]

Esseesse said:

Apple A8? Apple Pay is/will be significant IMO.

As significant as it might be (and I hope it'll finally get the ball rolling!), it's still just following the trend. NFC payments exists and they're as easy to use as can be, it's just widespread adoption in the stores that's lacking.
The US needs to be a forerunner here, and Apple is still doing exceptionally well in the domestic market (which makes sense). So a couple of trendsetting chains (Starbucks) will be quick to adopt now that Apple finally has joined the crop.

[BenM77]

ZesPak said:

XJSJohn said:

regarding the "tied to the brand" thing, may be interesting (or not) to know that windows mobile 8.1 can use iTunes to do all its sync, backup and playlist generation etc exactly the same as if it were an iPhone. (as well as using OneDrive direct to the cloud)

I really don't see the need for iTunes anymore for syncing, even on my iPhone?
Or am I missing a trick here?

Using iTunes is the best way to back up and also for updating IOS. For me anyway.


If wp8 can back up using iTunes as in clone it like iPhone then this is a big deal IMO.

[Blown2CV]

ZesPak said:

Esseesse said:

Apple A8? Apple Pay is/will be significant IMO.

As significant as it might be (and I hope it'll finally get the ball rolling!), it's still just following the trend. NFC payments exists and they're as easy to use as can be, it's just widespread adoption in the stores that's lacking.
The US needs to be a forerunner here, and Apple is still doing exceptionally well in the domestic market (which makes sense). So a couple of trendsetting chains (Starbucks) will be quick to adopt now that Apple finally has joined the crop.

Missing the point a touch. The tech world isn't just about new and sexy featurez, it's about taking something which is good but hasn't gained traction or hasn't been applied properly and actually making it work. Apple are good at both, and not many other companies are. The latter is a lot harder to do as it doesn't just involve an army of development engineers, it also requires business development partnerships, agreements, it's far more market-driven than just "check this out!"

[ZesPak]

BenM77 said:

Using iTunes is the best way to back up and also for updating IOS. For me anyway.

Agreed, but that's like once every year. Also, what does it back up that the cloud doesn't these days?
Installed apps? The data of said apps?
Hardly worth the backup for me, but ymmv.

[RobM77]

ZesPak said:

BenM77 said:

Using iTunes is the best way to back up and also for updating IOS. For me anyway.

Agreed, but that's like once every year. Also, what does it back up that the cloud doesn't these days?
Installed apps? The data of said apps?
Hardly worth the backup for me, but ymmv.

It does offer a local backup though for people not wishing to back up everything to the cloud. The reasons for wanting a local backup might not just be security, it might be a lack of web access.