iPhone 6

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Richyboy

3,739 posts

216 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Is there anything to this bend gate thing? I haven't even received my 6 plus, now all the hype has died down and the bend set in I'm starting to think maybe I should be going for a note.

Tycho

11,554 posts

272 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Richyboy said:
Is there anything to this bend gate thing? I haven't even received my 6 plus, now all the hype has died down and the bend set in I'm starting to think maybe I should be going for a note.
I think it has only been reported in about a dozen cases so I wouldn't worry about it. Someone does something stupid with their phone and uploads it to youtube with an "OMG!!!!!!1!!!!!! iPhone 6 bends!!!!!" title and lazy journalists jump on it and blow it up into something massive when it really isn't an issue. If you are concerned then just wait a few weeks until the fuss dies down and decide then.

TheJimi

24,859 posts

242 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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To be fair, looking at the UnboxTherapy vidoes, the 6+ *does* appear to bend very easily by the looks of things.

Less so the 6.

boxst

3,699 posts

144 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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I received my iPhone 6 yesterday and it is very .... nice. I think it is well made, thin, the screen isn't as huge as I thought but it's just an iPhone. I LIKE iPhones so that is good, but it isn't much different from the iPhone 5 it replaced.

What we need (not necessarily from Apple) is something that is revolutionary. I have no idea what that is, but phones are all much of a muchness and one can argue about Android or iOS but the hardware is pretty similar.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Richyboy said:
Is there anything to this bend gate thing? I haven't even received my 6 plus, now all the hype has died down and the bend set in I'm starting to think maybe I should be going for a note.
There's nothing in it. I remember people sitting on and bending their iPhone 5's when they came out too which resulted in a more minor 'bendgate'.

Sowler

223 posts

148 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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I don't know but the only 6 I've seen 'in the wild' which a friend has is bent around the sim tray area. He has only had it in his jeans front pocket.

Blown2CV

28,695 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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mrmr96 said:
Blown2CV said:
mrmr96 said:
Blown2CV said:
it's a bit like saying why do i need cards at all because i have cash. It will, very slowly, become universal and cards will disappear for most, with 'means to pay' become electronic, encoded into other things you carry around such as phones. The rationale is that you're carrying around your phone anyway, so why do you need all that other st? Mobile bonk pay is no better as such than cards, it just reduces redundancy. However, we've a long way to go before it's accepted everywhere, and you can leave your wallet at home, or not have one. Apple pay is just second gen tech really.
I don't think cards will die out to be replaced by NFC in phones. Phones can go flat, software issues etc. Card is pretty reliable, zero maintenance and smaller than phone too.
Yes because never before has something simple been superseded by something complicated with downsides. Remember books? How about vinyl.
Both books and vinyl are still here. As are coins which date back quite a long way and have remained largely unchanged. Besides which, their "replacements" actually do something the "originals" can't. But NFC card vs NFC Phone there is no amazing reason to choose the phone. I could glue my barclaycard to the back of a nokia if I wanted to. Do you see it as a gimick in a phone? I think I do at the moment.
it's all about the majority. MOST music is now electronic; MOST books (for most people certainly) are now read on e-readers. So, MOST transactions at some point in the future will be electronic. The point I was making is that we are tending more and more towards using card than cash. I try and use cash as little as possible now. That's not to say if you're in some fking cafe in Devon or somewhere else that doesn't take card that you won't be using cash, of course you will. I am not saying those things are eradicated, just embarking on a long-term phasing out.

I am also not saying you're wrong about it not having a massive killer reason to use at the minute. I am saying it will in the future, but it will take a long time. Probably not as long as cards took to overtake cash though (i.e. 30-40 years).

Blown2CV

28,695 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Crafty_ said:
Efbe said:
why have a wallet and a phone?

point of this could be the end of wallets.
I don't believe it will be.
well until Apple can encode your library card, all your loyalty cards including the annoying paper stamp ones, your oyster, blah blah then yes fine. I am sure they will come out with some kind of technology in future available to 'other' card issuers (not payment cards in other words) so they can encode stuff into the cards chip though.

Blown2CV

28,695 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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HenryJM said:
Crafty_ said:
Efbe said:
why have a wallet and a phone?

point of this could be the end of wallets.
I don't believe it will be.
Not until the need to carry my driving licence, the key pass to get into my office, the London Oyster card, my AA card, the receipts to things I buy, my folding money etc. etc all become unnecessary. Also the fact that I don't just carry one card in case that doesn't work - just as I wouldn't rely on my phone for payment in case that doesn't work...
no-one is making you carry your driving license or receipts around. I always am very surprised when a guy pulls out this massive bulging messy wallet and it's all receipts. Just put them in a shoebox ffs. Your probably giving yourself spinal misalignment by having that in your back pocket too, if that's where it is. However most people with stuffed wallets usually have to take them out and put them on the table. In reality it's then even more secure to have it on a phone, as long as you don't start sitting on that.

Efbe

9,251 posts

165 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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HenryJM said:
Crafty_ said:
Efbe said:
why have a wallet and a phone?

point of this could be the end of wallets.
I don't believe it will be.
Not until the need to carry my driving licence, the key pass to get into my office, the London Oyster card, my AA card, the receipts to things I buy, my folding money etc. etc all become unnecessary. Also the fact that I don't just carry one card in case that doesn't work - just as I wouldn't rely on my phone for payment in case that doesn't work...
>Driving licence should really be linked to fingerprint. the police have enough trouble working out if someone has a real licence as it is.
>Oyster card should be done through NFC.
>You have no need for an AA card anyway. You just need their Number on your phone, and they just need a name/address.
>Receipts are pointless if you have an electronic receipt.

But yeah the backup payment method is a big thing, especially with the appalling battery life phones have.

Having said all that, the banking industry have been talking about cash payments going down for a decade. It never did.

HenryJM

6,315 posts

128 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Blown2CV said:
no-one is making you carry your driving license or receipts around. I always am very surprised when a guy pulls out this massive bulging messy wallet and it's all receipts. Just put them in a shoebox ffs. Your probably giving yourself spinal misalignment by having that in your back pocket too, if that's where it is. However most people with stuffed wallets usually have to take them out and put them on the table. In reality it's then even more secure to have it on a phone, as long as you don't start sitting on that.
Well a key reason for receipts is so you can claim it back on expenses. I keep them there until the end of the month then do my expenses claim. It neither makes my wallet particularly large nor the exercise to be pointless. It certainly doesn't mean I put it on the table.

As for driving licence, Technically it is an offence not to produce when requested, although this is usually mitigated by you subsequently producing to a police station. Personally I prefer to produce at the time because I think you are more likely to just get a warning.

But being a card, aside from the fact that the card will work, won't stop working if it gets wet or the battery goes flat, it also works everywhere. With a card on a phone it's useless until it doesn't work everywhere, it's only got gimmick value of I have to carry cards as well in case I can't pay with the phone.

Blown2CV

28,695 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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HenryJM said:
Blown2CV said:
no-one is making you carry your driving license or receipts around. I always am very surprised when a guy pulls out this massive bulging messy wallet and it's all receipts. Just put them in a shoebox ffs. Your probably giving yourself spinal misalignment by having that in your back pocket too, if that's where it is. However most people with stuffed wallets usually have to take them out and put them on the table. In reality it's then even more secure to have it on a phone, as long as you don't start sitting on that.
Well a key reason for receipts is so you can claim it back on expenses. I keep them there until the end of the month then do my expenses claim. It neither makes my wallet particularly large nor the exercise to be pointless. It certainly doesn't mean I put it on the table.

As for driving licence, Technically it is an offence not to produce when requested, although this is usually mitigated by you subsequently producing to a police station. Personally I prefer to produce at the time because I think you are more likely to just get a warning.

But being a card, aside from the fact that the card will work, won't stop working if it gets wet or the battery goes flat, it also works everywhere. With a card on a phone it's useless until it doesn't work everywhere, it's only got gimmick value of I have to carry cards as well in case I can't pay with the phone.
i accrue plenty of expenses myself, and i have a box for awaiting claim, and a box for after claimed. A good way to avoid needing to produce your driving license is not to do something which merits getting pulled over. It has happened to me so infrequently to be honest I'd not be fussed about having to go in separately to 'produce'. Also it's one less thing to not have to pay to replace if your wallet gets nicked or lost.

Fair play about the water argument. I guess if everything is converged on one item, then you are uber-fked if you lose it. Especially if you're insured through honky-tonk online-only insurers with a 2 week turnaround. You can generally access cash (yes cash) without a card from cash machines now, although without a phone you won't be able to call your bank to arrange the easy-to-remember 72-digit code to key in.

Modern life is a bit wk actually, i've talked myself out of it.

Scantily

394 posts

170 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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I know nothing about how NFC works, but i did read an interesting reddit thread which has an employee from a US bank explaining the differences and why apple pay is better.

Thread is here - http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2gij06/appl...

Brief summary -
Banks are very interested in protecting their bank-client relationship. With Apple Pay, transactional information and credit/debit card numbers are only known by the card-issuing bank and Visa/MC/Amex. For banks, they dislike unnecessary parties being involved. With the way Apple Pay is set up, Apple will not be able to track transactions or know card numbers as a unique token is generated for each card that is added. Only recent transaction information is stored only on the phone, although I'm unsure of the duration. Merchants know there was a transaction, but don't know the actual credit/debit numbers used or even the name of the person.

The current implementation of Google Wallet is only beneficial to Google. He made sure to bring up Google's ability to track transactions as well as their storage of credit/debit card numbers as to why banks dislike Google Wallet. For banks, it's the choice of paying either a certain percentage (I read 0.15%) of all transactions or giving up valuable information about their clients. Not a hard choice to make at all.

Softcard/Isis is a terrible solution as they involve mobile carriers. As history has taught us, they are terrible at providing updates. Their implementations tend to be problematic and against the best interest of consumers such as their app stores and the junk they have placed on phones.

Banks have a massive incentive for customers to use Apple Pay. It looks they were very involved in the Apple Pay design process and worked overtime to make sure they were ready for rollout. They may actually offer rewards or promotions in the future to encourage its use.

Apple Pay required massive infrastructure changes as well as new encryption methods from banks and credit card networks due to the use of tokens. Bank and Visa/MC/Amex employees involved with Apple Pay worked under constant overtime and the utmost security for a year just to prepare. In the US, Apple Pay is a massive change for NFC and anyone who says NFC has already been done is ignorant in assuming it's the same.

gr1340

975 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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oobster said:
gr1340 said:
Butter Face said:
oobster said:
Does the iPhone 6 come, out the box, with iMovie and Garage Band already installed?
Yes.
I got my iphone from the apple store and it did not come with these installed.
Was it a 16GB?
Yes it was the 16GB

TheJimi

24,859 posts

242 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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gr1340 said:
oobster said:
gr1340 said:
Butter Face said:
oobster said:
Does the iPhone 6 come, out the box, with iMovie and Garage Band already installed?
Yes.
I got my iphone from the apple store and it did not come with these installed.
Was it a 16GB?
Yes it was the 16GB
Is the underlying assumption that 16GB models don't come with the full suite of software?

mrmr96

13,736 posts

203 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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Scantily said:
In the US, Apple Pay is a massive change for NFC and anyone who says NFC has already been done is ignorant in assuming it's the same.
With respect I'd suggest that most users of the systems will not care if the back end is powered by fairies, unicorns or elves. All they are interested in is their interaction with the system, and in that respect it seems to me that NFC and Apple Pay will be very similar/the same.

Blown2CV

28,695 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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mrmr96 said:
Scantily said:
In the US, Apple Pay is a massive change for NFC and anyone who says NFC has already been done is ignorant in assuming it's the same.
With respect I'd suggest that most users of the systems will not care if the back end is powered by fairies, unicorns or elves. All they are interested in is their interaction with the system, and in that respect it seems to me that NFC and Apple Pay will be very similar/the same.
they will however give a st about what outlets that can actually pay using the technology at, and the ecosystem of partnerships is something Apple actually have achieved, as opposed to previous efforts which haven't given the slightest st about uptake.

vescaegg

25,489 posts

166 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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TheJimi said:
gr1340 said:
oobster said:
gr1340 said:
Butter Face said:
oobster said:
Does the iPhone 6 come, out the box, with iMovie and Garage Band already installed?
Yes.
I got my iphone from the apple store and it did not come with these installed.
Was it a 16GB?
Yes it was the 16GB
Is the underlying assumption that 16GB models don't come with the full suite of software?
Not pre-installed on the 16GB (only those storages above) but still free if you want to download it smile

I suppose if they installed it on the 16GB there would be no space left on it even when you buy the phone new hehe

gaz1234

5,233 posts

218 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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I thin my 3 year old s3 has nfc

gr1340

975 posts

202 months

Wednesday 1st October 2014
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vescaegg said:
TheJimi said:
gr1340 said:
oobster said:
gr1340 said:
Butter Face said:
oobster said:
Does the iPhone 6 come, out the box, with iMovie and Garage Band already installed?
Yes.
I got my iphone from the apple store and it did not come with these installed.
Was it a 16GB?
Yes it was the 16GB
Is the underlying assumption that 16GB models don't come with the full suite of software?
Not pre-installed on the 16GB (only those storages above) but still free if you want to download it smile

I suppose if they installed it on the 16GB there would be no space left on it even when you buy the phone new hehe
Luckily both of those apps are bks and I don't need them laugh

I have only ever had 16gb phones. With the phones that have had microsd cards, I have never put anything on them. I don't have music or videos so 10gb or so is fine for pictures and a few apps. I back the pictures up so they can be removed when needed and I hate having pages of apps that I don't need or use.

I find the more space I have, the more unneeded st input on it.