iPhone 6

[Efbe]

Blown2CV said:

iPhone 5S 64Gb was £700 a few months back. I assume there will be a price hike for the 6.

doesn't anyone else feel just a little that we are being played as mugs?

none of the new phones, apple, android or windows are actually all that good. all have issues, and basically you just have to pick which compromise to go with; hence why people can have arguments about the best one.

so £700 for a phone? that's mental and certainly doesn't fit in with the advancement in phones over the past few years.

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just had a google on this: people/places seem to think 45-50% of the cost being profit*

as a comparison:
iphone 5s 45-50% (apparently the 43 was 50-60%!)
galaxy s4 46% (s3 was 48%)
htc one m8 21-23%

ipad 40-55%
macbook air 28-33%

Dell average laptop 5%
HP average laptop 9%
Laptop industry standard 4%


*(after manufacturing, operating expenses, advertising, wholesale to retail markup.)

[Altrezia]

Efbe said:

doesn't anyone else feel just a little that we are being played as mugs?

none of the new phones, apple, android or windows are actually all that good. all have issues, and basically you just have to pick which compromise to go with; hence why people can have arguments about the best one.

so £700 for a phone? that's mental and certainly doesn't fit in with the advancement in phones over the past few years.

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just had a google on this: people/places seem to think 45-50% of the cost being profit*

as a comparison:
iphone 5s 45-50% (apparently the 43 was 50-60%!)
galaxy s4 46% (s3 was 48%)
htc one m8 21-23%

ipad 40-55%
macbook air 28-33%

Dell average laptop 5%
HP average laptop 9%
Laptop industry standard 4%


*(after manufacturing, operating expenses, advertising, wholesale to retail markup.)

Nobody is forced to buy one.

Also, they're not just phones anymore. They play games, play music, write and read documents, etc etc. They're laptops without keyboards.

[mojitomax]

Ah, the annual android vs ios debacle again.

However this time I'm really looking forward to the event. I have no intent on trading in my 5s (will wait for the 6s) but am really excited by ios8 and Mac OS Yosemite. Especially the handoff feature and the connectivity between Mac OS and ios. Roll on sept 9

[Shinobi]

I'm still on a 4s so looking forward to the upgrade, I think every 2-3 is worth it but not every generation. Unsure about the iOS/android thing I don't really care. Phone wise I need it to work, be quick and work effeciently soils ticks all the boxes. I don't mind if it's a bit more expensive money isn't tight.

Tablet wise I would go for android as it has more flexibility in apps.

[Eddw86]

For balance, I've spent 2 years with a Samsung Galaxy note 2 and will be returning to Apple with the iPhone 6. For me the build quality & after sales service has been poor & the second hand values plummet.

The initial changeover is fiddly & a pain but for a while I was quite happy with Android but over time I grew frustrated with crashes, slow or dodgy apps updated ages after the iOS app updates, photos & other things randomly switching to being saved in different places so I now have 3 desperate photo galleries which is annoying when trying to find where a pic or downloaded image has saved, intermittent Android updates including one a few months ago that made a material difference in the useability if the phone - slowing it down to the extent that it was no quicker than my nearly 4 yr old iPhone 4 on iOS7.

I liked the tweakery of Android & the drag & drop ability for films/ TV shows onto a extendable memory card but generally found it that tiny bit more frustrating day to day than iOS - I now have a work iPhone 5 & barely use my personal phone as it just seems that bit more polished - as much as I hate to be a cliche it's just my preference and opinion.

I certainly wouldn't question anybody for choosing an Android phone as they are decent bits of kit & if you're happy to work at it then they can be good fun in a geeky way - I would however recommend a Nexus phone or an HTC/ Sony rather than Samsung though.

That's just my experience & a light phone user would be happy with an Android phone, likewise a proper tetchy would also love one but for me personally it's iOS & I'm looking forward to being fully Apple after also switching my Sony tablet to an iPad Air (a far superior device as well but not quite comparable as the Sony is a couple years old now)

[Mr Whippy]

I bought a Lumia 630, but I'm thinking I'll buy an iP4s or iP5s used or something.

The iPhone is just so much better as a smart phone imo.

They got the UI and UX down to perfection for this kinda small device from day one, and just keep improving it.


The only thing that still frustrates me though is pricing and limitations in some areas. My Lumia 630 makes the iPhone seem cheap and nasty for the quality/cost ratio. An iPhone doesn't seem 5x better made.
Even if it's twice as well made, it's a hell of a premium for the software advantage. As for limitations, poor memory capacity for the price, and no way to just use it like a USB stick for storing data.


Dave

[Civpilot]

BenM77 said:

How do people know for sure that there's going to be two sizes?

Probably down to the leaks from the Foxconn factory (that makes the phones for apple) showing two different size phones. One has been measured at 4.7inch and the other 5.5inch.

Yes it's only leaked parts at present but we are not talking one or two, we are talking photos of hundreds of phone chassis on the machines. The screens have also been photographed side by side with iPhone 5s on numerous times.

Yes, we won't know 100% for sure until launch day but so much has been 'leaked' right now I don't think a lot of sources are in any doubt on the size or design.

[HenryJM]

Civpilot said:

Probably down to the leaks from the Foxconn factory (that makes the phones for apple) showing two different size phones. One has been measured at 4.7inch and the other 5.5inch.

Yes it's only leaked parts at present but we are not talking one or two, we are talking photos of hundreds of phone chassis on the machines. The screens have also been photographed side by side with iPhone 5s on numerous times.

Yes, we won't know 100% for sure until launch day but so much has been 'leaked' right now I don't think a lot of sources are in any doubt on the size or design.

It may easily be managed by Apple, building up the interest, the anticipation whilst also getting early feedback on some possibilities.

Good marketing in action, perhaps.

[Civpilot]

Well apparently apple have talked with Chinese police about security within the factories to stop the leaks. Yeah, I'm still sure they have taken a slightly different tone since Steve Jobs died on how to build anticipation.

Techradar now have a few photos of a retail boxed iphone6 taken and sent in by an apple 'beta tester'. Everything about the design lines up with rumours and leaks so far (if the images are real... And they do look it).

[Mr Whippy]

Civpilot said:

Well apparently apple have talked with Chinese police about security within the factories to stop the leaks. Yeah, I'm still sure they have taken a slightly different tone since Steve Jobs died on how to build anticipation.

Techradar now have a few photos of a retail boxed iphone6 taken and sent in by an apple 'beta tester'. Everything about the design lines up with rumours and leaks so far (if the images are real... And they do look it).

Aren't China on a bit of a mission against Apple right now any way, mainly because of the US response to Chinese tech products/imports to the US?

I doubt the Chinese government and police gives two hoots really.

Obviously there is lots of politics in and around it, but aren't government bodies now forbidden from purchasing Apple items, in favour of domestic products?

Dave

[Esseesse]

Mr Whippy said:

Obviously there is lots of politics in and around it, but aren't government bodies now forbidden from purchasing Apple items, in favour of domestic products?

That story was circulating, but I think it's nonsense.

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/08/08/china-apple-ba...

[ZesPak]

Mr Whippy said:

I bought a Lumia 630, but I'm thinking I'll buy an iP4s or iP5s used or something.

The iPhone is just so much better as a smart phone imo.

Just out of interest, and I don't completely disagree, but what is your experience on this?

I felt that iOS and Android are a lot more "mature" (ie not lacking certain obvious features), but WP has some great quality and a fresh look to the Fisher Price iOS feel. Also, a lot of the small stuff (copy paste, changing message tones, ...) has been addressed with every subsequent version. The last one I used, fully updated of course, didn't feel worse or lacking compared to my 4S. I've been contemplating to replace the 4S with a 630, just to get some more WP experience.

Biggest miss for me is certain apps that are only available on Android, so I'll probably replace it with a Moto G, but the attraction is strong.

[AB]

OS Yosemite and iOS 8 integration looks great.

[clonmult]

Mr Whippy said:

I bought a Lumia 630, but I'm thinking I'll buy an iP4s or iP5s used or something.

The iPhone is just so much better as a smart phone imo.

They got the UI and UX down to perfection for this kinda small device from day one, and just keep improving it.


The only thing that still frustrates me though is pricing and limitations in some areas. My Lumia 630 makes the iPhone seem cheap and nasty for the quality/cost ratio. An iPhone doesn't seem 5x better made.
Even if it's twice as well made, it's a hell of a premium for the software advantage. As for limitations, poor memory capacity for the price, and no way to just use it like a USB stick for storing data.


Dave

I have a Lumia 1020 and an iPhone 4S.

For me WP8.1 is leagues ahead of iOS in almost every possible way. The interface just works. Whereas I've removed everything I possibly can from the iPhone as I find it a hateful experience.

Whatever you do, don't get a 4S. It'll now likely have iOS7 on it, which is one of the worst mistakes Apple have made. The 4S just doesn't have enough RAM to run iOS7 that well. Which is Apples way of saying "buy a 5, 5C or 5S".

[ZesPak]

clonmult said:

Whatever you do, don't get a 4S. It'll now likely have iOS7 on it, which is one of the worst mistakes Apple have made. The 4S just doesn't have enough RAM to run iOS7 that well. Which is Apples way of saying "buy a 5, 5C or 5S".

Getting an older iPhone is imho never a good idea. Obsolescence of these devices, panned or not, is very very real. My 4S on iOS 7 feels a lot more sluggish than the wife's older SGS2, which actually ran better with each subsequent update.
I'm holding my breath for iOS 8, if it doesn't fix my 4S I'll probably ditch the phone altogether.

[Pixel-Snapper]

BenM77 said:

How do people know for sure that there's going to be two sizes?

We don't but it sure is fun isn't it....

Read here.

http://www.macrumors.com/

[Blown2CV]

ZesPak said:

clonmult said:

Whatever you do, don't get a 4S. It'll now likely have iOS7 on it, which is one of the worst mistakes Apple have made. The 4S just doesn't have enough RAM to run iOS7 that well. Which is Apples way of saying "buy a 5, 5C or 5S".

Getting an older iPhone is imho never a good idea. Obsolescence of these devices, panned or not, is very very real. My 4S on iOS 7 feels a lot more sluggish than the wife's older SGS2, which actually ran better with each subsequent update.
I'm holding my breath for iOS 8, if it doesn't fix my 4S I'll probably ditch the phone altogether.

Shh. As long as there are tons of people who want to be seen with a iPhone but don't care that not only is it 2-3 versions old and can't get updates anymore, our bought new handsets wil continue to command silly high resale values. Don't ruin it.

[ajprice]

I have an iPhone 4 on iOS 7. It's not really the full fat iOS 7 to look at, a few of the transparency things in the UI aren't supported and a few other bits and bobs. It won't update to iOS 8 when that comes along. iPhone 6 will probably be expensive, I'll wait for Android L and go that way later in the year.

[onlynik]

ZesPak said:

Getting an older iPhone is imho never a good idea. Obsolescence of these devices, panned or not, is very very real. My 4S on iOS 7 feels a lot more sluggish than the wife's older SGS2, which actually ran better with each subsequent update.
I'm holding my breath for iOS 8, if it doesn't fix my 4S I'll probably ditch the phone altogether.

I had the beta of iOS8 (on a iPhone 4S) and it ate battery life, needed to charge the phone every 6 hours or so, so not holding out much hope when it does arrive.

[ZesPak]

onlynik said:

I had the beta of iOS8 (on a iPhone 4S) and it ate battery life, needed to charge the phone every 6 hours or so, so not holding out much hope when it does arrive.

Meh, beta's have nearly always had these problems on iOS, Android and WP tbh. Still, I don't expect it to "better" my phone like Android updates do. I just wish it was as good as it was with iOS6. It's a lot of hassle to revert. Frustrating that they don't provide the option.