iPhone 6

[Tycho]

GarryDK said:

I'm just waiting for apple to make the apple on the back of the phone light up. That would be awesome.

Lots of cases on ebay which do this already.

[wiggy001]

illmonkey said:

Tycho said:

Esseesse said:

HTP99 said:

Mr Whippy said:

I do wonder why Apple can't do a micro SD slot though...

Because then they wont be able to charge you up to £160 extra for a phone with more storage when the extra storage probably cost only a few quid over and above the standard storage.

The onboard storage isn't comparable to a slow memory card. Also it's a security risk, thats why. And because removable media is an archaism.

SD cards are fast enough to record 4K video, how much quicker do you want it? It is purely commercial and not a security risk as they can and frequently are encrypted.

He's talking tosh.

Why are SD cards archaic? Gives the ability to upgrade space without buying a whole new device. He sounds like he works on the Apple design team.

Because the way technology is moving, storing stuff on your own device will soon become an outdated concept. Data transfer speeds are improving all the time, meaning that storing your stuff in "the cloud" (I hate that phrase by the way) is becoming more and more a possibility. It is actually becoming accepted in many industries, so the private retail market will surely follow.

Everyone used to by DVDs. Then some people started storing their films on disk. Now people are beginning to view (on demand), which makes that disk redundant for many. The same is happening all over.

So going back to SD cards, yes a card might give you xGB extra storage in your pocket. But being linked to the web gives you unlimited storage potential, currently only limited by money and, depending on your requirements, download speeds.

[Tycho]

wiggy001 said:

illmonkey said:

Tycho said:

Esseesse said:

HTP99 said:

Mr Whippy said:

I do wonder why Apple can't do a micro SD slot though...

Because then they wont be able to charge you up to £160 extra for a phone with more storage when the extra storage probably cost only a few quid over and above the standard storage.

The onboard storage isn't comparable to a slow memory card. Also it's a security risk, thats why. And because removable media is an archaism.

SD cards are fast enough to record 4K video, how much quicker do you want it? It is purely commercial and not a security risk as they can and frequently are encrypted.

He's talking tosh.

Why are SD cards archaic? Gives the ability to upgrade space without buying a whole new device. He sounds like he works on the Apple design team.

Because the way technology is moving, storing stuff on your own device will soon become an outdated concept. Data transfer speeds are improving all the time, meaning that storing your stuff in "the cloud" (I hate that phrase by the way) is becoming more and more a possibility. It is actually becoming accepted in many industries, so the private retail market will surely follow.

Everyone used to by DVDs. Then some people started storing their films on disk. Now people are beginning to view (on demand), which makes that disk redundant for many. The same is happening all over.

So going back to SD cards, yes a card might give you xGB extra storage in your pocket. But being linked to the web gives you unlimited storage potential, currently only limited by money and, depending on your requirements, download speeds.

So why does Apple give any on board storage on their devices? Why not just 16Gb if everything can be streamed?

[FourWheelDrift]

And security, anything online can be hacked.

[Leithen]

The anomaly though is the increased file sizes and number of files created by use of device cameras.

Larger megapixel photos, large panoramic photos, videos with slow motion effects etc etc.

The Cloud isn't keeping up with phone/camera ability to generate such data, let alone the data charges for uploading them.

Apple won't include SD slots on principle, but equally they shouldn't be selling devices that have the above capability, but are hamstrung by limited memory.

[Tycho]

Leithen said:

The Cloud isn't keeping up with phone/camera ability to generate such data, let alone the data charges for uploading them.

I have unlimited 4G data with 3 but still want a good amount of music etc on device due to the patchy nature of mobile comms. If you commute on the tube then you'll need to store media before your journey.

[illmonkey]

Tycho said:

wiggy001 said:

illmonkey said:

Tycho said:

Esseesse said:

HTP99 said:

Mr Whippy said:

I do wonder why Apple can't do a micro SD slot though...

Because then they wont be able to charge you up to £160 extra for a phone with more storage when the extra storage probably cost only a few quid over and above the standard storage.

The onboard storage isn't comparable to a slow memory card. Also it's a security risk, thats why. And because removable media is an archaism.

SD cards are fast enough to record 4K video, how much quicker do you want it? It is purely commercial and not a security risk as they can and frequently are encrypted.

He's talking tosh.

Why are SD cards archaic? Gives the ability to upgrade space without buying a whole new device. He sounds like he works on the Apple design team.

Because the way technology is moving, storing stuff on your own device will soon become an outdated concept. Data transfer speeds are improving all the time, meaning that storing your stuff in "the cloud" (I hate that phrase by the way) is becoming more and more a possibility. It is actually becoming accepted in many industries, so the private retail market will surely follow.

Everyone used to by DVDs. Then some people started storing their films on disk. Now people are beginning to view (on demand), which makes that disk redundant for many. The same is happening all over.

So going back to SD cards, yes a card might give you xGB extra storage in your pocket. But being linked to the web gives you unlimited storage potential, currently only limited by money and, depending on your requirements, download speeds.

So why does Apple give any on board storage on their devices? Why not just 16Gb if everything can be streamed?

Exactally. What about offline content? What if I'm on a plane for 20 hours and want to watch films etc.

I also hate 'the cloud' as a term, and a concept. Everyone jumped on it as it seems cheap and it's new. But I'd put money on all these business using 'the cloud' to store their data in house within the next 3-5 years (when internet will be even faster).

In IT, we've spend years ensuring VPN's are secure, user security is tight and server rooms are bomb proof, yet now, I can access corporatedata with a password cracker? People will wake up and not store their naked photos on the cloud, you wait and see.

[wiggy001]

Tycho said:

So why does Apple give any on board storage on their devices? Why not just 16Gb if everything can be streamed?

The same reason you can still by a Blu-Ray player - very few people want to be bleeding edge with technology. They're not going to exclude a large part of their market are they? And not everything can be streamed/stored online for all people.

I'm not for one second saying that Apple don't include an SD card slot because they are so advanced of the competition. They do it for commercial reasons as already mentioned. But the use of expansible on-board storage will eventually be unnecessary and, for some, already is.

[Blown2CV]

until you've got effectively instantaneous and un-metered/unlimited connectivity with coverage across every inch of the globe, there will still be instances where you require local storage. In any case, local storage isn't for storing ripped off box sets and stupid pictures of cats anyway, it's for storing settings, apps and so on.

[ZesPak]

Blown2CV said:

until you've got effectively instantaneous and un-metered/unlimited connectivity with coverage across every inch of the globe, there will still be instances where you require local storage. In any case, local storage isn't for storing ripped off box sets and stupid pictures of cats anyway, it's for storing settings, apps and so on.

You lost me there, it isn't?

[wiggy001]

illmonkey said:

xactally. What about offline content? What if I'm on a plane for 20 hours and want to watch films etc.

Now, or in the future?

I never said there wasn't a case for onboard storage now, and your example is typical of why there is a need now. But it's only really cost that is stopping us being connected to the internet during that 20 hour flight (for example).

illmonkey said:

I also hate 'the cloud' as a term, and a concept. Everyone jumped on it as it seems cheap and it's new. But I'd put money on all these business using 'the cloud' to store their data in house within the next 3-5 years (when internet will be even faster).

I'm not convinced. We implement ERP systems for clients that don't have the in-house expertise. If they don't have the expertise (dev teams), they certainly don't have (nor want) the infrastructure to support them. The very largest corps may wish to make that investment, as will a lot of financial institutions, but most won't. There are a relatively small number of ERP systems that can support large corporates. There are even fewer than offer an on-premise solution as a viable option.

illmonkey said:

In IT, we've spend years ensuring VPN's are secure, user security is tight and server rooms are bomb proof, yet now, I can access corporatedata with a password cracker? People will wake up and not store their naked photos on the cloud, you wait and see.

Not quite. Internet-linked IT systems have the same security vulnerabilities, whether they are hosted on your servers or Amazon's. It's just down to whether you trust your systems provider to make the system secure enough (and that is the same for on-premise).

[illmonkey]

Lets take O365 for example. This is open to any PC, for anyone to know a company/employees email address using it. All I need to do is guess the password.

The same is not true for a private server sitting behind a firewall.

The cloud has to be open and available from anywhere. Where as a private network can be as remote and closed off as you like.

Do you think hundreds of celebs pics would have been leaked if they all stored them on a pen drive in their draw, or their home PC? No. It's only because someone can just approach a completly open system and start guessing.

[Blown2CV]

ZesPak said:

Blown2CV said:

until you've got effectively instantaneous and un-metered/unlimited connectivity with coverage across every inch of the globe, there will still be instances where you require local storage. In any case, local storage isn't for storing ripped off box sets and stupid pictures of cats anyway, it's for storing settings, apps and so on.

You lost me there, it isn't?

ok it isn't just for that then

[bad company]

Blown2CV said:

bad company said:

I am in the USA for a few more days and wondering whether to buy a 6 here or wait till I get home? Lots of stories about US phones not working properly in Europe.

I'd say that's clearly your answer then, but as you are still asking despite all that, yea buy one and tell us how you get on.

Very helpful.

If anybody here has actually bought an unlocked IPhone in the US I would to hear how they got on?

[shopper150]

bad company said:

Blown2CV said:

bad company said:

I am in the USA for a few more days and wondering whether to buy a 6 here or wait till I get home? Lots of stories about US phones not working properly in Europe.

I'd say that's clearly your answer then, but as you are still asking despite all that, yea buy one and tell us how you get on.

Very helpful.

If anybody here has actually bought an unlocked IPhone in the US I would to hear how they got on?

They don't work

[Blown2CV]

bad company said:

Blown2CV said:

bad company said:

I am in the USA for a few more days and wondering whether to buy a 6 here or wait till I get home? Lots of stories about US phones not working properly in Europe.

I'd say that's clearly your answer then, but as you are still asking despite all that, yea buy one and tell us how you get on.

Very helpful.

If anybody here has actually bought an unlocked IPhone in the US I would to hear how they got on?

My point is that you're apparently ignoring plenty of stories of them not working. So would you consider it helpful if I too told you the same? Why would you believe me and not all the others? Hence you may as well give it a go. It's clearly not a good idea to buy one, but you're clearly hunting for one bit of evidence to the contrary.

[gaz1234]

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[ZesPak]

Why just post the name of another phone here, no arguments for it whatsoever?

[bad company]

Blown2CV said:

bad company said:

Blown2CV said:

bad company said:

I am in the USA for a few more days and wondering whether to buy a 6 here or wait till I get home? Lots of stories about US phones not working properly in Europe.

I'd say that's clearly your answer then, but as you are still asking despite all that, yea buy one and tell us how you get on.

Very helpful.

If anybody here has actually bought an unlocked IPhone in the US I would to hear how they got on?

My point is that you're apparently ignoring plenty of stories of them not working. So would you consider it helpful if I too told you the same? Why would you believe me and not all the others? Hence you may as well give it a go. It's clearly not a good idea to buy one, but you're clearly hunting for one bit of evidence to the contrary.

Because the guys in the Apple stores over here assure me that they will work perfectly in the UK and I have only found rumors of them not working third hand. I simply wondered if there was anybody who had actually bought one & tried it.

Edited by bad company on Thursday 30th October 23:08

[TheJimi]

ZesPak said:

Why just post the name of another phone here, no arguments for it whatsoever?

To be fair, he's not wrong, I'm gonna sell my 6 in favour of a Z3 Compact.

*ahem* and on that note, anyone want a perfect condition iPhone 6 in gold, plus a red leather Apple case for 500 quid?

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