iPhone 6

[vescaegg]

Has anyone seen these?

They look absolutely ridiculous.

But I want one a lot

http://www.mod-3.com/

[ZesPak]

vescaegg said:

Has anyone seen these?

They look absolutely ridiculous.

But I want one a lot

http://www.mod-3.com/

$90 before shipping...

Has got to be a joke, surely?

[Mr Whippy]

illmonkey said:

Tycho said:

wiggy001 said:

illmonkey said:

Tycho said:

Esseesse said:

HTP99 said:

Mr Whippy said:

I do wonder why Apple can't do a micro SD slot though...

Because then they wont be able to charge you up to £160 extra for a phone with more storage when the extra storage probably cost only a few quid over and above the standard storage.

The onboard storage isn't comparable to a slow memory card. Also it's a security risk, thats why. And because removable media is an archaism.

SD cards are fast enough to record 4K video, how much quicker do you want it? It is purely commercial and not a security risk as they can and frequently are encrypted.

He's talking tosh.

Why are SD cards archaic? Gives the ability to upgrade space without buying a whole new device. He sounds like he works on the Apple design team.

Because the way technology is moving, storing stuff on your own device will soon become an outdated concept. Data transfer speeds are improving all the time, meaning that storing your stuff in "the cloud" (I hate that phrase by the way) is becoming more and more a possibility. It is actually becoming accepted in many industries, so the private retail market will surely follow.

Everyone used to by DVDs. Then some people started storing their films on disk. Now people are beginning to view (on demand), which makes that disk redundant for many. The same is happening all over.

So going back to SD cards, yes a card might give you xGB extra storage in your pocket. But being linked to the web gives you unlimited storage potential, currently only limited by money and, depending on your requirements, download speeds.

So why does Apple give any on board storage on their devices? Why not just 16Gb if everything can be streamed?

Exactally. What about offline content? What if I'm on a plane for 20 hours and want to watch films etc.

I also hate 'the cloud' as a term, and a concept. Everyone jumped on it as it seems cheap and it's new. But I'd put money on all these business using 'the cloud' to store their data in house within the next 3-5 years (when internet will be even faster).

In IT, we've spend years ensuring VPN's are secure, user security is tight and server rooms are bomb proof, yet now, I can access corporatedata with a password cracker? People will wake up and not store their naked photos on the cloud, you wait and see.

I can see benefits of the cloud for people who don't want to deal with data, and everything they have is just trivial crap and they already post it all to facebook any way... but plenty of people are more than happy to, either for privacy benefits or just because it's more convenient for them to do so.

And there is also a small but significant demographic who just don't have access to fast cheap internet to allow effective cloud usage.


In my work everything I do is too sensitive to go on a 'cloud', even fairly trivial stuff can't go on there so it's pointless for that.

For my private stuff I wouldn't trust any of the providers to look after my material for either work or private use.



Apple's goal is clear, just profiteering on their memory sizes/prices.

But that only works while their product can demand it.

Everyone wanted a bigger screen, now Apple have provided it.

It makes you wonder what else will change as their market share has to increasingly fight with a wider range of more varied devices that offer people more of what they want.


Dave

[Mr Whippy]

wiggy001 said:

Mr Whippy said:

The camera sticking out looked terrible, and the whole back of the phone generally looks a bit cheap with those weird tinted bands and things

I can see why people want to put it inside a case but then it's even more bulky and hides all the expensive materials you're paying for.

Mr Whippy said:

In the end I bought an iP5c in green.

Haha. Not sure anyone else picked up on your joke.

It's not a joke.

My green iP5c is wonderful to behold.

One handed functionality, no sharp edges. A really nice density. An element of bounce when dropped.


I'm all for people having a bigger phone if it suits them, but only an Apple fanboi would immediately move from a stance of being told the iP5 is the best phone ever because that is what Apple sells them, to thinking it's inferior, and only an iP6 phone is any good, because that is now what Apple is selling them!


I'm sure there is a small but significant demographic that feels the same about the lack of a new high end but small iP6, and it'd be weird for a company who said one handed use was a key feature just a few years ago to then abandon that market entirely when the iP5 disappears from the shelves.

Dave

[ZesPak]

Mr Whippy said:

I'm all for people having a bigger phone if it suits them, but only an Apple fanboi would immediately move from a stance of being told the iP5 is the best phone ever because that is what Apple sells them, to thinking it's inferior, and only an iP6 phone is any good, because that is now what Apple is selling them!

Sums up a lot of them, unfortunately.

Mr Whippy said:

I'm sure there is a small but significant demographic that feels the same about the lack of a new high end but small iP6, and it'd be weird for a company who said one handed use was a key feature just a few years ago to then abandon that market entirely when the iP5 disappears from the shelves.

Dave

Meh, the iP6 outsold just about anything ever launched. If they release a "slimmed down" iphone 6 (4.5" with the size of the 4" iP5 is do-able) next year, it'll probably do the same thing again.

Sum up:

1. Release big phones, loads of people waiting for them and a number just buying it anyway because it's the newest shiny.
2. Some people thinking "oh they're going to stop making small phones", still buying older devices at a very high price point.

Next year release phones with a lot smaller form factor but similar screen size, part of group 1 will upgrade (smaller phone with no other concessions!), and group 2 might as well (jeej, small phone with the newest goodies).

[vescaegg]

ZesPak said:

vescaegg said:

Has anyone seen these?

They look absolutely ridiculous.

But I want one a lot

http://www.mod-3.com/

$90 before shipping...

Has got to be a joke, surely?

Yeah its madness im definitely not getting one!

[RobM77]

vescaegg said:

ZesPak said:

vescaegg said:

Has anyone seen these?

They look absolutely ridiculous.

But I want one a lot

http://www.mod-3.com/

$90 before shipping...

Has got to be a joke, surely?

Yeah its madness im definitely not getting one!

What's the point of it? Bendgate was surely just Samsung et al spreading rumours, as the data on bent phones showed way fewer issues than you'd probably expect with any new phone. The case above would stop scratches when the phone's sat on a table, but is it really worth the pocket thread ripping ugliness of the case just for that measly protection?

[ZesPak]

RobM77 said:

Bendgate was surely just Samsung et al spreading rumours

You mean the fact that it needs about half the force to bend/break than either the SGN3 or iP5?

I agree, "bendgate" or "antennagate" are ridiculous names. But if you're saying that the iPhone 6 isn't easy to bend, you're in denial.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/09/2...

[Esseesse]

illmonkey said:

Tycho said:

Esseesse said:

HTP99 said:

Mr Whippy said:

I do wonder why Apple can't do a micro SD slot though...

Because then they wont be able to charge you up to £160 extra for a phone with more storage when the extra storage probably cost only a few quid over and above the standard storage.

The onboard storage isn't comparable to a slow memory card. Also it's a security risk, thats why. And because removable media is an archaism.

SD cards are fast enough to record 4K video, how much quicker do you want it? It is purely commercial and not a security risk as they can and frequently are encrypted.

He's talking tosh.

Why are SD cards archaic? Gives the ability to upgrade space without buying a whole new device. He sounds like he works on the Apple design team.

I'm happy to disagree. We'll see how this plays out over the next 3/5/10 years.

[illmonkey]

Esseesse said:

illmonkey said:

Tycho said:

Esseesse said:

HTP99 said:

Mr Whippy said:

I do wonder why Apple can't do a micro SD slot though...

Because then they wont be able to charge you up to £160 extra for a phone with more storage when the extra storage probably cost only a few quid over and above the standard storage.

The onboard storage isn't comparable to a slow memory card. Also it's a security risk, thats why. And because removable media is an archaism.

SD cards are fast enough to record 4K video, how much quicker do you want it? It is purely commercial and not a security risk as they can and frequently are encrypted.

He's talking tosh.

Why are SD cards archaic? Gives the ability to upgrade space without buying a whole new device. He sounds like he works on the Apple design team.

I'm happy to disagree. We'll see how this plays out over the next 3/5/10 years.

Meet you here in 5 years? Good.

[ZesPak]

Esseesse said:

I'm happy to disagree. We'll see how this plays out over the next 3/5/10 years.

I'm happy to disagree as well.
It's not because they'll be obsolete in 5/10 years that it makes sense to remove them now. Which iPhone will be around in 5 or 10 years?
Now, with limited connectivity in a lot of areas and limited contracts, they still make sense.
Especially if onboard storage is so expensive.
Yes, in general, onboard storage is of a more expensive kind. But, as others pointed out, SD cards can keep up with 4K video.
Most people don't have 32GB in apps, the extra storage is mainly for keeping videos, music and photo's offline. For which SD cards are more than enough.

The biggest reasons manufacturers don't implement it, my 2 cents (keep in mind, this is hardly pointed at Apple exclusively):

1. to ask silly money for a bit of extra storage on the phone
2. to force users in their online storage ecosystem

[GarryDK]

Would there be issues with windows / apple switch over with an SD card? software being formated for windows on SD cards not working in a Apple device?

[ZesPak]

GarryDK said:

Would there be issues with windows / apple switch over with an SD card? software being formated for windows on SD cards not working in a Apple device?

Newer high capacity SD cards use exFAT, which (iirc) works now in OSX, but I think it's under MS license so I don't think Apple would use it in their iPhone in that format.

[Durzel]

ZesPak said:

Newer high capacity SD cards use exFAT, which (iirc) works now in OSX, but I think it's under MS license so I don't think Apple would use it in their iPhone in that format.

It does.

[bad company]

Well having said I would not buy one I just did. Now the proud owner of an unlocked 128GB. Great bit of kit, I just hope I get used to the size.

[ChickenvanGuy]

Can anyone comment on audio quality?

I'm in London this week and may pick up a 6 / 6+. I use my phones for work email and music most of all and very few reviews I've read comment on audio.

Got some decent Sony earbuds, as well as some neck band Sennheisers for the gym. My current 5 sounds OK - are the 6's better, noticeably?

Thanks.

[randlemarcus]

Can anyone point me at the best available (don't care about carrier) deals for a 6. ABout to get into a conversation with VF retentions, and need some leverage

[Bebee]

randlemarcus said:

Can anyone point me at the best available (don't care about carrier) deals for a 6. ABout to get into a conversation with VF retentions, and need some leverage

With 02 since 1991 when it was BT I think, went to retentions last month and hung out for a deal having hammered it down, or I was going else where (but I wasn't)

They gave me the following

Free:
Text
Calls
2GB data

iphone 6 16gb

24 months at £24 month

Phone arrived with 3 weeks wait, I think it was worth the wait for the deal.

No up front fees for phone

[audi321]

Bebee said:

With 02 since 1991 when it was BT I think, went to retentions last month and hung out for a deal having hammered it down, or I was going else where (but I wasn't)

They gave me the following

Free:
Text
Calls
2GB data

iphone 6 16gb

24 months at £24 month

Phone arrived with 3 weeks wait, I think it was worth the wait for the deal.

No up front fees for phone

That's a cracking deal! £576 for the phone and contract over 2 years - Phone is £539 so the contract is £1.54 a month, and interest free phone!

[Bebee]

audi321 said:

Bebee said:

With 02 since 1991 when it was BT I think, went to retentions last month and hung out for a deal having hammered it down, or I was going else where (but I wasn't)

They gave me the following

Free:
Text
Calls
2GB data

iphone 6 16gb

24 months at £24 month

Phone arrived with 3 weeks wait, I think it was worth the wait for the deal.

No up front fees for phone

That's a cracking deal! £576 for the phone and contract over 2 years - Phone is £539 so the contract is £1.54 a month, and interest free phone!

I know, I'm a long termer with o2 and I forgot to add that's a business contract and there are three other phones on the contract, I had a bit of bargaining movement as a result, up shot is, they wanted to keep me.
Only draw back for me is the two year term, too long I think.