Discussion
onlynik said:
ZesPak said:
Getting an older iPhone is imho never a good idea. Obsolescence of these devices, panned or not, is very very real. My 4S on iOS 7 feels a lot more sluggish than the wife's older SGS2, which actually ran better with each subsequent update.
I'm holding my breath for iOS 8, if it doesn't fix my 4S I'll probably ditch the phone altogether.
I had the beta of iOS8 (on a iPhone 4S) and it ate battery life, needed to charge the phone every 6 hours or so, so not holding out much hope when it does arrive.I'm holding my breath for iOS 8, if it doesn't fix my 4S I'll probably ditch the phone altogether.
onlynik said:
Blown2CV said:
Do you know wavy a beta release means or no?
Yup, but when I had my 3G and they upgraded iOS, it slowed to a crawl and the battery life drained, I tend to think that Apple do this to make users buy their new phones.Blown2CV said:
onlynik said:
Blown2CV said:
Do you know wavy a beta release means or no?
Yup, but when I had my 3G and they upgraded iOS, it slowed to a crawl and the battery life drained, I tend to think that Apple do this to make users buy their new phones.My 3GS went from snappy and fast to a bit slow over 3 or 4 IOS updates over it's lifetime.
Same with PC's... how the hell can Skype use 150mb+ of RAM, when back a decade ago that would have been 20x what MSN messenger used.
It seems to be worse with phones though, they are 'old' after a few years.
They should really keep pushing for optimising programs to be lighter and faster than ever but it just seems they do the opposite.
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Blown2CV said:
onlynik said:
Blown2CV said:
Do you know wavy a beta release means or no?
Yup, but when I had my 3G and they upgraded iOS, it slowed to a crawl and the battery life drained, I tend to think that Apple do this to make users buy their new phones.My 3GS went from snappy and fast to a bit slow over 3 or 4 IOS updates over it's lifetime.
Same with PC's... how the hell can Skype use 150mb+ of RAM, when back a decade ago that would have been 20x what MSN messenger used.
It seems to be worse with phones though, they are 'old' after a few years.
They should really keep pushing for optimising programs to be lighter and faster than ever but it just seems they do the opposite.
Dave
BrabusMog said:
Hehe, that is great.It's kinda true though, touch screens have a lot of down-sides we've kinda chosen to ignore.
I was messing with an old phone the other day and was typing with predictive text again pretty damn quickly, and with predictive off I could even text without looking at the screen... vs the touch screen which isn't really any better, if not worse at some tasks.
Apple with the iPhone and everyone just did the same, good or bad.
iPad the same, now everyone is making tablets.
Surely there are other good ideas?
ZesPak said:
Blown2CV said:
I thought this thread was about the iPhone 6, not running upgraded iOS on old hardware?
To be fair, the iPhone 6 will come with a "new" iOS, which brings this up.If you can't talk about the software on the "6", you'll probably have very little to talk about
.Mr Whippy said:
My wife has a 4S, I had a 3GS, and I quite liked my 3GS. It never got the latest IOS updates because it was too old, but that was ok as it did seem to get crapper with time.
Lumia 630 is just annoying.
I was trying to copy something the other day and couldn't at all. Ah yes, a picture from my email (PNG) to my phone library.
No WiFi sync/backup except to the cloud it seems. I'm not sure you can back it up to a PC? Crap. If you can, it's not clear/obvious that you can.
Alarm is crap. I've hit ignore instead of snooze a handful of times already, meaning I'm late up.
Tiles are crap, until you get Wiztiles so you can make things look half nice (ie, make your own icons for web page shortcut tiles) Auto tiles don't always appear as the fav icon from a web page, but a thumbnail of the page instead.
Lack of any half decent apps. No the phones fault, but MS should make more good quality apps to fill gaps imo. Half the stuff on their store feels like it'll be a trojan or virus.
Panning around websites and I can often go 'back'... and I'm sure back is sometimes then back to the 'search' thing in Bing, which you can't then go forward from unless you remember the link you clicked. Or dig through the history.
Tabs seem to disappear sometimes when you hard close things, but other times not. It's like tabs can be tasks you can close?! There is a dis-joint between apps and browser and search to me, that makes it really hard to know where you are.
Closing a task doesn't turn off music. You then have to either find it, or press volume buttons (also near lock, so maybe lock it), to then be able to press a button to pause it only. Jeez. How hard is this? If you want to play music, don't close the task. That is pretty logical to me.
All my MSN contacts are in the phone, but I don't want some of them on there, but others I do want on there. Some have numbers, some don't. I can only seem to filter by having numbers or not which is a bit pants. Filtering or meta-data tags for 'phone' would make a lot of sense. I talk to loads of people on MSN, but I only want a select few on the phone.
No DNLA support, so I can't watch my PC/media content on the phone. I can if I buy an app, but that is stupid when I already bought WP 8.1. I didn't have to buy SW to do these tasks with Win XP, 7, 8 on my laptop etc.
No timer/stopwatch. Sounds trivial, but all the apps need the phone to be unlocked I think. That is annoying if you want the phone to auto-lock.
Passwords on the unlock page have no letters on the numbers, so if you remember your password as a string of text it's a real pain to remember it.
Bing search is crap. In the first week of owning the phone every time I tried to search for something to do with Lumia 630 XYZ (something to figure out how it works etc), it'd come up with reviews, previews or resellers of the phone. Google managed to give the relevant answers near the top of the first page.
Big search also seems to limit image quality on image searches. It also stops scrolling with new images after a while with a hard stop. Wheras Google will go forever if you want. Why?
There is probably loads more that just stops me using the phone for anything half useful day to day. Great to tinker around with but if you wanted to do anything half serious or important I'd look elsewhere.
OK the iPhone isn't perfect either, not by a long way... but I think they have most of the bits (or did) right.
Maybe it'll get better with time, but I really don't get why it can't all be fixed in a few months.
Why does it take years? This is MS, not some small company. Yet we see all these app developers make great apps in no time at all... but they are iffy because they can't be properly integrated into the software (ie, locking on the alarms/timers etc)
WP8 had been out years, and WP8.1 is meant to be amazing, but it still feels like it's got half the features and UX gloss missing.
Shame because the phone hardware itself makes Apple's iPhone look stupidly expensive and crude with fixed expensive memory etc.
But from day one with my 3GS when I bought it, I never had a problem. It just worked as I expected it to and I never had to read up how to do anything... WP8.1, almost everything I've had to read up... and it's hard to find the info to read up.
The worst bit of all is you expect all the things like DLNA and a decent alarm, and WiFi local backup to be staples of any modern smart phone, especially a Windows one... and to find them missing is just a joke really.
I still think that most modern phones are crap though. UI/UX designers seem to have too much swap over the engineers imo. Flashy looks go before functionality, to the point functionality is screwed just so it looks fancy.
Great, if you just sit and look at it... not so great if you want to do tasks fast without any frills or distracting tweens or fades or swipes or whatever else.
Sorry for being ranty but it just peeves me off no end that I've bought an MS product to escape Apple iron-handed control freakery, and yet MS are trying to copy them! Fools.
Dave
whippyLumia 630 is just annoying.
I was trying to copy something the other day and couldn't at all. Ah yes, a picture from my email (PNG) to my phone library.
No WiFi sync/backup except to the cloud it seems. I'm not sure you can back it up to a PC? Crap. If you can, it's not clear/obvious that you can.
Alarm is crap. I've hit ignore instead of snooze a handful of times already, meaning I'm late up.
Tiles are crap, until you get Wiztiles so you can make things look half nice (ie, make your own icons for web page shortcut tiles) Auto tiles don't always appear as the fav icon from a web page, but a thumbnail of the page instead.
Lack of any half decent apps. No the phones fault, but MS should make more good quality apps to fill gaps imo. Half the stuff on their store feels like it'll be a trojan or virus.
Panning around websites and I can often go 'back'... and I'm sure back is sometimes then back to the 'search' thing in Bing, which you can't then go forward from unless you remember the link you clicked. Or dig through the history.
Tabs seem to disappear sometimes when you hard close things, but other times not. It's like tabs can be tasks you can close?! There is a dis-joint between apps and browser and search to me, that makes it really hard to know where you are.
Closing a task doesn't turn off music. You then have to either find it, or press volume buttons (also near lock, so maybe lock it), to then be able to press a button to pause it only. Jeez. How hard is this? If you want to play music, don't close the task. That is pretty logical to me.
All my MSN contacts are in the phone, but I don't want some of them on there, but others I do want on there. Some have numbers, some don't. I can only seem to filter by having numbers or not which is a bit pants. Filtering or meta-data tags for 'phone' would make a lot of sense. I talk to loads of people on MSN, but I only want a select few on the phone.
No DNLA support, so I can't watch my PC/media content on the phone. I can if I buy an app, but that is stupid when I already bought WP 8.1. I didn't have to buy SW to do these tasks with Win XP, 7, 8 on my laptop etc.
No timer/stopwatch. Sounds trivial, but all the apps need the phone to be unlocked I think. That is annoying if you want the phone to auto-lock.
Passwords on the unlock page have no letters on the numbers, so if you remember your password as a string of text it's a real pain to remember it.
Bing search is crap. In the first week of owning the phone every time I tried to search for something to do with Lumia 630 XYZ (something to figure out how it works etc), it'd come up with reviews, previews or resellers of the phone. Google managed to give the relevant answers near the top of the first page.
Big search also seems to limit image quality on image searches. It also stops scrolling with new images after a while with a hard stop. Wheras Google will go forever if you want. Why?
There is probably loads more that just stops me using the phone for anything half useful day to day. Great to tinker around with but if you wanted to do anything half serious or important I'd look elsewhere.
OK the iPhone isn't perfect either, not by a long way... but I think they have most of the bits (or did) right.
Maybe it'll get better with time, but I really don't get why it can't all be fixed in a few months.
Why does it take years? This is MS, not some small company. Yet we see all these app developers make great apps in no time at all... but they are iffy because they can't be properly integrated into the software (ie, locking on the alarms/timers etc)
WP8 had been out years, and WP8.1 is meant to be amazing, but it still feels like it's got half the features and UX gloss missing.
Shame because the phone hardware itself makes Apple's iPhone look stupidly expensive and crude with fixed expensive memory etc.
But from day one with my 3GS when I bought it, I never had a problem. It just worked as I expected it to and I never had to read up how to do anything... WP8.1, almost everything I've had to read up... and it's hard to find the info to read up.
The worst bit of all is you expect all the things like DLNA and a decent alarm, and WiFi local backup to be staples of any modern smart phone, especially a Windows one... and to find them missing is just a joke really.
I still think that most modern phones are crap though. UI/UX designers seem to have too much swap over the engineers imo. Flashy looks go before functionality, to the point functionality is screwed just so it looks fancy.
Great, if you just sit and look at it... not so great if you want to do tasks fast without any frills or distracting tweens or fades or swipes or whatever else.
Sorry for being ranty but it just peeves me off no end that I've bought an MS product to escape Apple iron-handed control freakery, and yet MS are trying to copy them! Fools.
Dave
I had the same issue when I went iphone 4s > desire S Android.
Things just didn't work the way I wanted or expected. though I do partly blame this on my head being wired for ios at the time.
A few things to help you though with the 630, as I have never had to read up on anything for it...
pressing the home button does not end an app from running, pressing the back button does. so your music will keep on running unless you stop it in the app, or press back.
backing up over wifi. this should work for images out of the box. if you use skydrive for your documents it should work out of the box too. not sure what you are doing here, but it shouldn't be too hard.
the alarm> no idea, i'm used to this now, but then having an ignore and a sleep button has been around on every phone for decades - it's a very generic app to me. there are hundreds others you can get though.
dnla> never tried it tbh. isn't there Nokia Play To for stuff like this? as said never used it though.
The bing search thing is soo cr4p though. yes it's a nice picture, but no matter how much I have tried to like bing, it is just miles away from google. so yeah I just don't use the search button!
anyhow, not trying to argue, just hoping to help you out a bit.
And fully agree that most OS's don't work very well. it's not rocket science to work out what we need the phone to do!
Heh, I know that there is some transition stuff... but usually you get into things after a while.
I'm working late a lot this week, and a good alarm is key to get me up. Being able to press ignore, just a few centimetres from snooze, meant I was sleeping in longer than I wanted this morning. Oh for some options.
As for back closing apps, that might make some sense to what I've been seeing actually. But I can't be sure. I'll have to test it. But that in itself is an example of a faulty UX because it's not obvious.
I'm guessing if I press home, do something else, THEN go back to an app after holding back, then press back again, it'll stay open, or close?
Why it can't just work like the iPhone, which is just like Windows desktop, or anything else. Stuff goes into the task bar where it runs, till you close it, then it's closed.
Back, forward, close, home button. Seems pretty logical to me. Trying to remove any of those abilities to make things 'cleaner' on the UI/UX is just gonna (and has) ended in tears imo.
As for backup, I've done pictures/videos, but all the settings. The day of time spent getting things how I wanted it. The backup that lets you just fire up a new phone and essentially clone the old one onto it from your backup.
iPhone had that feature, 630 does via the 'cloud', but I can't seem to find a local equivalent.
I'll take a look at the Nokia streaming thingy for media. Odd though that it's a Nokia app, when it's an MS OS which on other devices has this feature natively.
All in I'm just frustrated that it's not what I expected. I expected it to just work in all these areas where it's falling down. We're in 2014, mobile phones have been around 20 years, MS is one of the largest software companies in the world... they've been working on this OS for years.
Just how can it be so un-finished feeling?
Dave
I'm working late a lot this week, and a good alarm is key to get me up. Being able to press ignore, just a few centimetres from snooze, meant I was sleeping in longer than I wanted this morning. Oh for some options.
As for back closing apps, that might make some sense to what I've been seeing actually. But I can't be sure. I'll have to test it. But that in itself is an example of a faulty UX because it's not obvious.
I'm guessing if I press home, do something else, THEN go back to an app after holding back, then press back again, it'll stay open, or close?
Why it can't just work like the iPhone, which is just like Windows desktop, or anything else. Stuff goes into the task bar where it runs, till you close it, then it's closed.
Back, forward, close, home button. Seems pretty logical to me. Trying to remove any of those abilities to make things 'cleaner' on the UI/UX is just gonna (and has) ended in tears imo.
As for backup, I've done pictures/videos, but all the settings. The day of time spent getting things how I wanted it. The backup that lets you just fire up a new phone and essentially clone the old one onto it from your backup.
iPhone had that feature, 630 does via the 'cloud', but I can't seem to find a local equivalent.
I'll take a look at the Nokia streaming thingy for media. Odd though that it's a Nokia app, when it's an MS OS which on other devices has this feature natively.
All in I'm just frustrated that it's not what I expected. I expected it to just work in all these areas where it's falling down. We're in 2014, mobile phones have been around 20 years, MS is one of the largest software companies in the world... they've been working on this OS for years.
Just how can it be so un-finished feeling?
Dave
know exactly what you mean. took me a bit to really like wp8. I did in the end though, and when I briefly went back to ios I got really frustrated with the lack of control I had. Though the problem with control is that it adds in another layer of complexity. I suppose the biggest problem they have is working out what level of complexity we can deal with, and what we need, want and think we want but probably don't..
can't try any of these outas I am between decent phones at the moment and borrowing my daughters android (arc s)
my god does it feel like I have gone back to the stone age!
SO I am stuck with this for two months until my contract is up (it's complicated) then to decide on what to get; though likely the 930
can't try any of these outas I am between decent phones at the moment and borrowing my daughters android (arc s)
my god does it feel like I have gone back to the stone age!
SO I am stuck with this for two months until my contract is up (it's complicated) then to decide on what to get; though likely the 930
Mr Trophy said:
article said:
The screen is tipped to be ‘Retina display+’ with a 1,704x904 resolution.
How do they come up with this stuff, what's wrong with 1920x1080?I know it's probably for the scaling of apps, but ffs.
ZesPak said:
How do they come up with this stuff, what's wrong with 1920x1080?
I know it's probably for the scaling of apps, but ffs.
it's not like apple have ever given a cr4p about app developers before. the apple way is very much 'we decide, developers follow'I know it's probably for the scaling of apps, but ffs.
so I would go with just postponing the inevitable amazingness of Apple discovering 1080.
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