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Siscar said:
There's a big difference between launching a product and launching a new version of an existing product. The latter will be very rarely able to compare with the former.
the first iphone was just another mobile phone. it wasn't all that ground breaking, it just put a lot of it together.we could have the technology now to put a phone in a mobile a tenth of the size of an iphone, which projects it's screen and keyboard onto a surface, works with an implant/attachment to navigate the options of the device, is flexible and malleable.
put this into one device and call it a dfone, and it's a new product.
you think the iphone is different from everything before because it was from a different company with a different name. call the manned mars lander an iphone and you would probably be unimpressed
anyhow, this is pointless, and I hate to say a little retarded...
what you are saying is "something that has not been invented yet and you can't even imagine will not be ground breaking."
Edited by Efbe on Friday 9th May 13:23
Allblackdup said:
I'm in the same boat here. Popped into a couple of phone places today and couldn't believe the size difference of the S5 and One M8 to my iphone 5. For those who've gone from Apple to Android how have you found the change of OS?
Can you still use iTunes for music?
My wife's adamant she wants to stick with apple but I'm open to change but interested to know about the change from one to the other etc.
If the size of the top end Droids puts you off maybe look at a Sony Z1 Compact? Top spec phone with a frankly awesome camera, same size as an iPhone 5S. The OH has had one and its fanstatic - probably too small for me and my PlayStation thumbs, ideal for anyone after a smaller phone that doesn't want to compromise on spec however. Can you still use iTunes for music?
My wife's adamant she wants to stick with apple but I'm open to change but interested to know about the change from one to the other etc.
You still use iTunes with Android phones too if required, have a look at DoubleTwist.
Efbe said:
the first iphone was just another mobile phone. it wasn't all that ground breaking, it just put a lot of it together.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. The first iphone was truely groundbreaking! There had been nothing like it before in any shape or form and I'll be amazed if I ever see such a WOW factor on any gadget again in my lifetime.ETA - This was the original keynote from the original iphone launch. Listen to the crowd ooooh's and aaahhhhhh's when things like 'Slide to unlock' are announced for the first ever time lol
Edited by audi321 on Friday 9th May 13:32
Efbe said:
the first iphone was just another mobile phone. it wasn't all that ground breaking, it just put a lot of it together.
Which is pretty much what Apple has done over the years, take stuff that already is out there and package it up and make it work well. Which did make it groundbreaking for many who bought it.Efbe said:
we could have the technology now to put a phone in a mobile a tenth of the size of an iphone, which projects it's screen and keyboard onto a surface, works with an implant/attachment to navigate the options of the device, is flexible and malleable.
put this into one device and call it a dfone, and it's a new product.
It sounds awful to me. At the end of the day I want a phone, that makes calls, I'm not saying that where we are can't be improved but reducing the size of my phone is no goal as far as I'm concerned and projecting it? No, I'm sorry that's not going to work. As for having something implanted in me to run a phone? How big a problem are we trying to fix here? put this into one device and call it a dfone, and it's a new product.
Efbe said:
you think the iphone is different from everything before because it was from a different company with a different name. call the manned mars lander an iphone and you would probably be unimpressed
You have no idea what I think about the iphone, read what I've posted on this thread (it won't take long), I've previously made no reference to any brand. There are loads of smartphones out there, many of them with noticeable benefits over an iphone.Efbe said:
anyhow, this is pointless.
Well goodbye then, nobody is keeping you.Whatever you think of Apple, the fact remains that the iPhone introduced the concept of a mass market smartphone. It wasn't one technology that achieved it but the combination of a good interface that exploited the advantages of a capacitive screen and being easily customisable via straightforward, simple applications. Plenty will argue where they stand amongst their peers now but the point is that a few added technologies here and there haven't revolutionised the market like that original concept did. Almost everyone has a smartphone now. I can't see the revolution ahead.
I don't think the iPhone was particularly revolutionary as a device but the operating system is another story. iOS was the first OS that had been designed for the future hardware, making good use of a touch screen and screen space. Everyone else was just trying to wedge a desktop OS into a tiny space which usually felt clumsy and awkward.
I think some of you have rather short memories! The iPhone was pretty well universally viewed as a game-changer at the time it was first released. It was a huge step up in the packaging, usability, reliability, quality of that type of device. The App Store model made a reality out of applications that were of a guaranteed level of quality and actually worked on your device. The touch user interface with gestures and genuine intuitiveness was a step up. The actual thing itself was the first move towards a genuine, premium, desirable accessory rather than just a dull plastic box. Not all of these aspects were brand new, but it brought them together to move the game on. A lot of people think it was the first step towards what's now called the consumerisation of IT. I am very much not an apple fan boy, however it did have a genuine impact.
Blown2CV said:
I think some of you have rather short memories! The iPhone was pretty well universally viewed as a game-changer at the time it was first released. It was a huge step up in the packaging, usability, reliability, quality of that type of device. The App Store model made a reality out of applications...
The original iPhone didn't support apps though... or text messaging for that matter.It was certainly well packaged of course but was the iPhone really a step-up in reliability and build quality compared to the Nokias of the time?
I said I wouldn't reply, but I'm a sucker for being drawn into an argument I guess.
It would seem the point being (most probably purposefully) ignored is that people are saying: "something that has not been invented yet can't possibly be ground breaking."
Well this is just quite ridiculous. Possibly it's a poorly conceived way of defending your own low expectations of the iphone 6.
As others have been backing up, even the iphone1 was not such a massive leap. The components that make the iphone5 so popular now have come in bit by bit.
Nonetheless, there is plenty of technology currently out there that could make the iphone6 groundbreaking.
It would seem the point being (most probably purposefully) ignored is that people are saying: "something that has not been invented yet can't possibly be ground breaking."
Well this is just quite ridiculous. Possibly it's a poorly conceived way of defending your own low expectations of the iphone 6.
As others have been backing up, even the iphone1 was not such a massive leap. The components that make the iphone5 so popular now have come in bit by bit.
Nonetheless, there is plenty of technology currently out there that could make the iphone6 groundbreaking.
Plenty of stuff about the iPhone 6 being leaked right now. I don't know what's happened in recent years, but Apple seems to fail at keeping the employees of the manufacturers from leaking CAD machine designs such as this:
Which result in people making mockups like this:
The dimensions usually come from case manufacturers, whom Apple tend to release dimensions to in order so designers can start to make accessories before the start date.
So it's safe to say the iPhone will catch up and have a large screen as per the HTC One M8 and the Galaxy S5, since that's what consumers seem to want thesedays.
No doubt we'll hear Jonny Ive spout some bulls
t about it being the spiritual nirvana of design which encompasses nature, with VTs of kids and families taking pics of each other in idyllic surrounding, etc.
Which result in people making mockups like this:
The dimensions usually come from case manufacturers, whom Apple tend to release dimensions to in order so designers can start to make accessories before the start date.
So it's safe to say the iPhone will catch up and have a large screen as per the HTC One M8 and the Galaxy S5, since that's what consumers seem to want thesedays.
No doubt we'll hear Jonny Ive spout some bulls
t about it being the spiritual nirvana of design which encompasses nature, with VTs of kids and families taking pics of each other in idyllic surrounding, etc.devnull said:
Plenty of stuff about the iPhone 6 being leaked right now. I don't know what's happened in recent years, but Apple seems to fail at keeping the employees of the manufacturers from leaking CAD machine designs such as this:
Which result in people making mockups like this:
The dimensions usually come from case manufacturers, whom Apple tend to release dimensions to in order so designers can start to make accessories before the start date.
So it's safe to say the iPhone will catch up and have a large screen as per the HTC One M8 and the Galaxy S5, since that's what consumers seem to want thesedays.
No doubt we'll hear Jonny Ive spout some bullst about it being the spiritual nirvana of design which encompasses nature, with VTs of kids and families taking pics of each other in idyllic surrounding, etc.
I’m 99% sure they don’t. If there is one company which guards their secrecy its Apple. A lot of people got burned because loads of the iphone 5 rumours were of a phone with a curved back which never materialised and companies took a gamble on making cases etc anyway; there were even schematics like the one above floating about. Being first with a case obviously means a lot but it doesnt always work. Which result in people making mockups like this:
The dimensions usually come from case manufacturers, whom Apple tend to release dimensions to in order so designers can start to make accessories before the start date.
So it's safe to say the iPhone will catch up and have a large screen as per the HTC One M8 and the Galaxy S5, since that's what consumers seem to want thesedays.
No doubt we'll hear Jonny Ive spout some bulls
t about it being the spiritual nirvana of design which encompasses nature, with VTs of kids and families taking pics of each other in idyllic surrounding, etc.That is why when the iphone 5 came out with the new lightning adapted it too so bloody long to get any docks / cases made as no one had an idea until probably the week before, what it looked like. It also means that Apple’s own docks etc get bought by the bundle for the first few months as there isn’t anything else about.
audi321 said:
Efbe said:
the first iphone was just another mobile phone. it wasn't all that ground breaking, it just put a lot of it together.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. The first iphone was truely groundbreaking! There had been nothing like it before in any shape or form and I'll be amazed if I ever see such a WOW factor on any gadget again in my lifetime.ETA - This was the original keynote from the original iphone launch. Listen to the crowd ooooh's and aaahhhhhh's when things like 'Slide to unlock' are announced for the first ever time lol
Edited by audi321 on Friday 9th May 13:32
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