Buying iPhone 6 on eBay?

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Conor D

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175 months

Saturday 20th September 2014
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I had planned to hold off on the iPhone 6 for a while and try to get one from a friend who is a new apple employee. I checked my eBay tonight and I have a 20% off voucher (£100 max) that expires next week and can only be used in Electronics. I think they want me to buy an iPhone 6.

This would probably give me more discount than I would if I wait. The iPhones seem to be sitting around £600-670 (for the £619 64GB) as it would appear to be people selling off contract upgrades where they would rather have the money - locked to o2 in this case. Some are selling, others are not, the unlocked phones are asking ridiculous money.

Is there much issue buying off eBay at this early stage? I did buy my iPhone 5 on eBay at a reduced price but that was a few months following the launch and I had no problems.

BlackST

9,079 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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I don't see what problem you have apart from for the next 24 months it could be locked of the seller reported it stolen/lost/stopped paying their contract?
There may be people on there who have bought directly from Apple so it will be unlocked and a smaller chance of it being locked.

I've always been sceptical of buying 2nd hand phones since my younger brother bought an iPhone4 and a couple hours later it was blocked.

Funk

26,277 posts

209 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Also I'm not sure whether O2 have a similar clause to EE but when I upgraded my phone I was told I wasn't allowed to sell it within the first 6 months of the contract. Whether that's enforceable or not is a wholly different matter...

Conor D

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175 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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BlackST said:
I don't see what problem you have apart from for the next 24 months it could be locked of the seller reported it stolen/lost/stopped paying their contract?
There may be people on there who have bought directly from Apple so it will be unlocked and a smaller chance of it being locked.

I've always been sceptical of buying 2nd hand phones since my younger brother bought an iPhone4 and a couple hours later it was blocked.
What happened after that out of curiosity, was there any come back on it?

That's the only real fear I would have. 12-24 Months down the line.

FlossyThePig

4,083 posts

243 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Funk said:
Also I'm not sure whether O2 have a similar clause to EE but when I upgraded my phone I was told I wasn't allowed to sell it within the first 6 months of the contract. Whether that's enforceable or not is a wholly different matter...
With most deals you are getting the phone in the form of a type of hire purchase so the phone may not be 100% yours for the first 6 months.

ecsrobin

17,119 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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I thought phones were no longer allowed to be locked down to a network?

JimbobVFR

2,682 posts

144 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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ecsrobin said:
I thought phones were no longer allowed to be locked down to a network?
I'd not heard that?

You may be thinking of the U.S.A. where unlocking a phone was made illegal as part of the ridiculous DMCA but they are currently in the process of making it legal again, it may even have happened already.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/29/phone-unlocking...

gpo746

3,397 posts

130 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Conor D said:
I had planned to hold off on the iPhone 6 for a while and try to get one from a friend who is a new apple employee. I checked my eBay tonight and I have a 20% off voucher (£100 max) that expires next week and can only be used in Electronics. I think they want me to buy an iPhone 6.

This would probably give me more discount than I would if I wait. The iPhones seem to be sitting around £600-670 (for the £619 64GB) as it would appear to be people selling off contract upgrades where they would rather have the money - locked to o2 in this case. Some are selling, others are not, the unlocked phones are asking ridiculous money.

Is there much issue buying off eBay at this early stage? I did buy my iPhone 5 on eBay at a reduced price but that was a few months following the launch and I had no problems.
don't do it mate. Buy it new and then you have satisfaction.

mouseymousey

2,641 posts

237 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Phones are not, typically, bought on any form of hire purchase agreement, they are are just subsidised by the network which recoups its cost over the course of the contract. The person selling it will still be responsible for paying the 24 months contract. The only way it could get blocked is if it is actually stolen, or reported as stolen.

As with anything on ebay there is a risk, but if you buy a boxed and un-opened iPhone then I'd say the risk of it being stolen is low and the risk of the seller reporting it as stolen further down the line is even less likely as you'll be able to prove you bought it from them.

If the price is lower enough on ebay then I'd have no problem buying one from there. In terms of risk, there's no difference in buying a newly released phone or one that's been out for 12 months. Both can still get blocked.


ecsrobin

17,119 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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JimbobVFR said:
ecsrobin said:
I thought phones were no longer allowed to be locked down to a network?
I'd not heard that?

You may be thinking of the U.S.A. where unlocking a phone was made illegal as part of the ridiculous DMCA but they are currently in the process of making it legal again, it may even have happened already.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/29/phone-unlocking...
I looked into it more, which? And ofcom are trying to move it towards that. Three and giffgaff already provide phones unlocked.

BlackST

9,079 posts

165 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Conor D said:
What happened after that out of curiosity, was there any come back on it?

That's the only real fear I would have. 12-24 Months down the line.
It wasn't off eBay. He had met somebody in the city centre and bought it that way. Could not do anything frown
Learnt his lesson the hard way.

pavka007

522 posts

129 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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It is beyond me why anyone is willing to buy a MOBILE PHONE for 6/7/8 hundred quid????

Now don't get me wrong here, I like Apple products, I am typing this on 27"iMac but I've seen few 64GB A6 going for close to 900 on eBay and I just don't understand why??? For the same money you could get MacBook Pro with 256SSD or even 512 GB.

It is just a damn phone...banghead

Conor D

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2,124 posts

175 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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pavka007 said:
It is beyond me why anyone is willing to buy a MOBILE PHONE for 6/7/8 hundred quid????

Now don't get me wrong here, I like Apple products, I am typing this on 27"iMac but I've seen few 64GB A6 going for close to 900 on eBay and I just don't understand why??? For the same money you could get MacBook Pro with 256SSD or even 512 GB.

It is just a damn phone...banghead
If you take out a contract at £40-50 a month.. £20 or so of that is for your airtime, the rest is for your handset.

You're still paying £6/7/800 for a phone, you're just paying for it over 24 months. In many cases you end up paying a lot more.

pavka007

522 posts

129 months

Sunday 21st September 2014
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Conor D said:
If you take out a contract at £40-50 a month.. £20 or so of that is for your airtime, the rest is for your handset.

You're still paying £6/7/800 for a phone, you're just paying for it over 24 months. In many cases you end up paying a lot more.
Well Conor I don't do that. smile I use Moto G from Tesco for £119 quid, £1.50 unlock code from eBay and £15 quid a month rolling contract with 2000 minutes, 5000 texts and 4GB of data....total cost over 2 years = £479.00 biggrin If I sell the phone for £50 this will bring me down to £420 much better than 24X40= 960....ops

My original question was why people are paying 7/8 hundred on eBay...NO monthly contract?

gpo746

3,397 posts

130 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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mouseymousey said:
Phones are not, typically, bought on any form of hire purchase agreement, they are are just subsidised by the network which recoups its cost over the course of the contract. The person selling it will still be responsible for paying the 24 months contract. The only way it could get blocked is if it is actually stolen, or reported as stolen.

As with anything on ebay there is a risk, but if you buy a boxed and un-opened iPhone then I'd say the risk of it being stolen is low and the risk of the seller reporting it as stolen further down the line is even less likely as you'll be able to prove you bought it from them.

If the price is lower enough on ebay then I'd have no problem buying one from there. In terms of risk, there's no difference in buying a newly released phone or one that's been out for 12 months. Both can still get blocked.
Maybe not "typically" but several contracts make it clear that there is X amount for the phone and X towards the line rental
https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/refreshTariffs/apple/iph...

mouseymousey

2,641 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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gpo746 said:
mouseymousey said:
Phones are not, typically, bought on any form of hire purchase agreement, they are are just subsidised by the network which recoups its cost over the course of the contract. The person selling it will still be responsible for paying the 24 months contract. The only way it could get blocked is if it is actually stolen, or reported as stolen.

As with anything on ebay there is a risk, but if you buy a boxed and un-opened iPhone then I'd say the risk of it being stolen is low and the risk of the seller reporting it as stolen further down the line is even less likely as you'll be able to prove you bought it from them.

If the price is lower enough on ebay then I'd have no problem buying one from there. In terms of risk, there's no difference in buying a newly released phone or one that's been out for 12 months. Both can still get blocked.
Maybe not "typically" but several contracts make it clear that there is X amount for the phone and X towards the line rental
https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/refreshTariffs/apple/iph...
But that still isn't hire purchase. It's still just network provided subsidy. You can do what you like with a mobile phone once you've received it, it's yours. You still have to pay the entire contract length though. If you pay some money up front for the handset all it does is decrease the monthly rental amount.

Why do you think SIM only plans are cheaper (and also why you can get 30 day rolling contracts instead of 24 months)? It's because there's no handset subsidy included in the monthly line rental.

gpo746

3,397 posts

130 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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mouseymousey said:
gpo746 said:
mouseymousey said:
Phones are not, typically, bought on any form of hire purchase agreement, they are are just subsidised by the network which recoups its cost over the course of the contract. The person selling it will still be responsible for paying the 24 months contract. The only way it could get blocked is if it is actually stolen, or reported as stolen.

As with anything on ebay there is a risk, but if you buy a boxed and un-opened iPhone then I'd say the risk of it being stolen is low and the risk of the seller reporting it as stolen further down the line is even less likely as you'll be able to prove you bought it from them.

If the price is lower enough on ebay then I'd have no problem buying one from there. In terms of risk, there's no difference in buying a newly released phone or one that's been out for 12 months. Both can still get blocked.
Maybe not "typically" but several contracts make it clear that there is X amount for the phone and X towards the line rental
https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/refreshTariffs/apple/iph...
But that still isn't hire purchase. It's still just network provided subsidy. You can do what you like with a mobile phone once you've received it, it's yours. You still have to pay the entire contract length though. If you pay some money up front for the handset all it does is decrease the monthly rental amount.

Why do you think SIM only plans are cheaper (and also why you can get 30 day rolling contracts instead of 24 months)? It's because there's no handset subsidy included in the monthly line rental.
I stand completely corrected.
I saw the o2 plans and thought it odd that they separated the costs hence why I assumed what I did. I hadn't bothered to look into o2's terms and conditions but did earlier and apart from the usual stuff could find NOTHINg that linked to the hardware plan being a separately recoverable entity.
I am very aware of subsidy - I part owned a mobile shop and know full well the costs of hardware as with one distributor we paid in arrears and I saw the invoices that became due. It was ok with the other company as we paid upfront for all the GSM stock but the Orange and T-Mobile stock we had on terms. They once messed up so that instead of the 60 day terms on the stock and 30 day payouts (minus stock that was connected) they once invoiced us on all stock at 30 days if you follow
So there you go manners and a respectful apology, which you either accept or don't.

I still wouldn't do it if I was the OP though. I just wouldn't add in ANY risk factor that was unnecessary. What I would do is something quite different. that would work for me as I buy and sell items. It would simply be to use the codes (If I was able) against a basket of items I buy anyway and use the discount as an extra profit margin. I had a code similar to the one the OP mentions and did just that with a supplier I used anyway.

Good luck to the OP though whichever way he goes with it.

Conor D

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2,124 posts

175 months

Friday 26th September 2014
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Well I decided to go ahead and buy one. Ended up snagging a 64GB iPhone 6 in Space Grey for £650; including one of the Apple Leather Cases and a screen protector. Which breaks down at £619 + £35 + (5p? for a screen protector).

Then the £100 discount from the eBay/Paypal voucher.

Very happy, hoping it comes in the post tomorrow.. The phones are advertised for £700+ as there appears to be a slight waiting list from Apple and people are trying to cash in.