New Hardware - Change to Apple / Stick to Windows?

New Hardware - Change to Apple / Stick to Windows?

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Flip Martian

19,654 posts

190 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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Zod said:
Squeezing in an iMac, even a 27" one is really not an issue. The screen is slim and the keyboard and touchpad/mouse are small and unobtrusive.
They are indeed slim - but they are quite wide! Which might be more of an issue for the OP's space restrictions.

OP, if you want to spoil yourself a bit, get a 15" Macbook Pro. Its a very smart bit of kit. Just be careful about what it comes with. Some didn't have dvd drives for example, when I was buying. I bought one with.

FlossyThePig

4,083 posts

243 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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CDP said:
Crafty_ said:
Is apple stuff still expensive to upgrade, e.g. add some RAM etc ?
Some of it is impossible to upgrade. Check very carefully before you buy.
27 inch iMac has a panel in the back for DIY memory upgrade. They look really good and would have bought one but it was just too tall to fit on my desk.

I bought a 21.5 inch iMac a couple of months ago and paid the apple tax for pre-installed upgrades as they are not simple tasks to do later. I installed Windows 7 and Office 2010 via Bootcamp but have only used it a couple of times to access some old emails.

Pages, Numbers and Keynote provide most of the every day functionality of Word, Powerpoint and Excel. The Mail app fulfils my requirements as well.

Just about to sync my iTunes music collection with my Windows phone.

gaz1234

5,233 posts

219 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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Unix.

CDP

7,459 posts

254 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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FlossyThePig said:
CDP said:
Crafty_ said:
Is apple stuff still expensive to upgrade, e.g. add some RAM etc ?
Some of it is impossible to upgrade. Check very carefully before you buy.
27 inch iMac has a panel in the back for DIY memory upgrade. They look really good and would have bought one but it was just too tall to fit on my desk.

I bought a 21.5 inch iMac a couple of months ago and paid the apple tax for pre-installed upgrades as they are not simple tasks to do later. I installed Windows 7 and Office 2010 via Bootcamp but have only used it a couple of times to access some old emails.

Pages, Numbers and Keynote provide most of the every day functionality of Word, Powerpoint and Excel. The Mail app fulfils my requirements as well.

Just about to sync my iTunes music collection with my Windows phone.
But machines like the Macbook Air have entirely soldered RAM and Flash. The mini is currently the easiest to upgrade.

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Monday 22nd September 2014
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FlossyThePig said:
CDP said:
Crafty_ said:
Is apple stuff still expensive to upgrade, e.g. add some RAM etc ?
Some of it is impossible to upgrade. Check very carefully before you buy.
27 inch iMac has a panel in the back for DIY memory upgrade. They look really good and would have bought one but it was just too tall to fit on my desk.

I bought a 21.5 inch iMac a couple of months ago and paid the apple tax for pre-installed upgrades as they are not simple tasks to do later. I installed Windows 7 and Office 2010 via Bootcamp but have only used it a couple of times to access some old emails.

Pages, Numbers and Keynote provide most of the every day functionality of Word, Powerpoint and Excel. The Mail app fulfils my requirements as well.

Just about to sync my iTunes music collection with my Windows phone.
MS Office for Mac is miles better than the Apple apps. If you have a 365 subscription, you can use both Windows and Mac versions.

andygo

6,799 posts

255 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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I bough a new iMac in February having been a Microsoft user before windows was invented.

The MAC software is pretty good, easy to use and install. I use MS office 2011 which is Mac specific. It works just fine, pretty much the same as the office suite for Windows.

bakerstreet

4,763 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd September 2014
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CDP said:
But machines like the Macbook Air have entirely soldered RAM and Flash. The mini is currently the easiest to upgrade.
I think the early MacBook Airs had that, I think the later ones use SSDs and normal RAM.

I have had Apple laptops for the last 8 years. I have always bought mine from the refurb store. You always save a bit and it still comes with a full warranty.

Macs have far better re-sale value than PC laptops. I have never had any issues selling my old Apple laptops and usually get a decent amount for them. Keeping the box and manuals is vital though.

I've always had mine upgraded over the years and found the costs to be quite reasonable. Current one is running 8Gb RAM and a 1.5Tb HDD.

I have always found Mac laptops very durable and well made. The keyboards are really nice too smile

Dan_1981

Original Poster:

17,388 posts

199 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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3 months down the line and still haven't made a decision.

PC is on the verge of dying.


May possibly have managed to work in space for a desktop version of whatever I choose.


Sooooooo

If I was to go for Windows based / PC system what sort of spec do I need to be looking at these days? Need some future proofing - don't tend to upgrade anymore often than once every 5 years or so.

And if I was to go Apple, are the specs comparable in terms of processor speeds and so on?

AJB88

12,399 posts

171 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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Another vote for midrange hardware + Linux (either Ubuntu or Limux Mint).

Football manager even has its own native Linux version now.

Foliage

3,861 posts

122 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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Id say stick with windows, perhaps even go for a windows surface pro.

ZesPak

24,427 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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Dan_1981 said:
3 months down the line and still haven't made a decision.

PC is on the verge of dying.


May possibly have managed to work in space for a desktop version of whatever I choose.


Sooooooo

If I was to go for Windows based / PC system what sort of spec do I need to be looking at these days? Need some future proofing - don't tend to upgrade anymore often than once every 5 years or so.

And if I was to go Apple, are the specs comparable in terms of processor speeds and so on?
A nice price/performance point at this time:
CPU: i5 4690k
RAM: 8 or 16GB 1600Mhz
HDD1: 256GB Samsung 850 EVO
HDD2: 1TB WD Blue
GPU: The HD4600 (included in the i5 listed above so no extra purchase) is good for most home applications, heavy games will require something heavier, the Radeon R9 280X seems to be a good perf/price point atm.

Something with these specs, add in a MB, case and a PSU that can swallow this, will last you another 7-8 years easily. Including Windows license, this'll set you back about £850.
A nice 27" screen (1440p) will add another £350 iirc.

The closest mac is the 27" model + SSD, although that won't have the ability to have big storage internally without adding some serious cash. The CPU is a bit older but still keeps up well: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1933....
That'll be ~£1600, so 33% more expensive.
Although, if this computer lasts you 7 years, like your previous one, according to a lot of people in this thread, the iMac will last you well over 9 years to offset the price difference.

In my experience, it won't though. All-in-ones have the problem that they create heat, which reduces lifespan of all components.
They are a neat solution, less clutter on the desk. I found it a big shame to throw away the nice screen every new computer, therefore I'm not a fan of the form factor.

ffc

611 posts

159 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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From a usability viewpoint you can't beat a Macbook trackpad, nothing I've used on a Windows laptop comes close.

onlynik

3,978 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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ZesPak said:
A nice price/performance point at this time:
CPU: i5 4690k
RAM: 8 or 16GB 1600Mhz
HDD1: 256GB Samsung 850 EVO
HDD2: 1TB WD Blue
GPU: The HD4600 (included in the i5 listed above so no extra purchase) is good for most home applications, heavy games will require something heavier, the Radeon R9 280X seems to be a good perf/price point atm.

Something with these specs, add in a MB, case and a PSU that can swallow this, will last you another 7-8 years easily. Including Windows license, this'll set you back about £850.
A nice 27" screen (1440p) will add another £350 iirc.

The closest mac is the 27" model + SSD, although that won't have the ability to have big storage internally without adding some serious cash. The CPU is a bit older but still keeps up well: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1933....
That'll be ~£1600, so 33% more expensive.
Although, if this computer lasts you 7 years, like your previous one, according to a lot of people in this thread, the iMac will last you well over 9 years to offset the price difference.

In my experience, it won't though. All-in-ones have the problem that they create heat, which reduces lifespan of all components.
They are a neat solution, less clutter on the desk. I found it a big shame to throw away the nice screen every new computer, therefore I'm not a fan of the form factor.
It's worth noting that the iMac does come with a separate gfx chip.

Football Manager 2015 also runs on a Mac if you're interested.

gpo746

3,397 posts

130 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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know your I a rush but i'd wait till the January sales

ZesPak

24,427 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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onlynik said:
It's worth noting that the iMac does come with a separate gfx chip.
Hardly.
www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+...

If gaming wants to be done, it'll be pretty poor, and a windows license will be required, offsetting the cost.

Flip Martian

19,654 posts

190 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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If going with a PC, get one built up to your own spec by someone like PC Specialist. Save yourself 100s even on sale prices, compared to a brand like HP or Dell (and you'll get a better machine). If you're in the midlands, let me know, I can put you in touch with a guy who builds them (I trusted him with my desktop and its been brilliant).

onlynik

3,978 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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ZesPak said:
Hardly.
www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+...

If gaming wants to be done, it'll be pretty poor, and a windows license will be required, offsetting the cost.
What utter tripe about needing a Windows licence. OP mentioned he played championship manager. I play football manager on OSX. XFwiw it is also available for Linux.

The gfx chip is a separate mobile gfx chip. Which is still better than the on board Intel HD one.



ZesPak

24,427 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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onlynik said:
What utter tripe about needing a Windows licence. OP mentioned he played championship manager. I play football manager on OSX. XFwiw it is also available for Linux.

The gfx chip is a separate mobile gfx chip. Which is still better than the on board Intel HD one.
That's true, but you wouldn't need it for championship manager. For £50 you can have a much better cpu, if you really want to play more demanding games.

I don't really get why Apple bothered with the 755M in the first place.

onlynik

3,978 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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ZesPak said:
That's true, but you wouldn't need it for championship manager. For £50 you can have a much better cpu, if you really want to play more demanding games.

I don't really get why Apple bothered with the 755M in the first place.
Obviously they decided on it to give people something to discuss on forums. smile

Plenty of Mac games on Steam, these are just the ones I own.



ZesPak

24,427 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd December 2014
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To be honest, if you want to play games, the more expensive models sport the GTX 775M,despite the very similar designation, it beats the 755M to a pulp.

www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2646&...

That's more on par with a ~£130 desktop gpu.