Settle the old argument - Apple, Android or Windows Phone

[RobM77]

GrumpyTwig said:

Jon1967x said:

GrumpyTwig said:

Jon1967x said:

Android - for those who want to jailbreak or for those who never touch and buy because it's cheaper. Work also insist on anti virus software on android, not req on Apple.

And not required on Android either.

If its not required, why are their apps out there to do just that?

The company I work for as a day job is not exactly a lightweight in the computer world.

People buy into paranoia and companies fill the void with products, but there are AV apps for iOS as well so if their mere existence is a basis for their requirement then you need to tell the company to install one on the iPhones too.

I'm not expert on this as I've never developed on a phone or read into how they work too much, so this is as much a question as it is a statement, but I always thought there was a fundamental difference with how iOS and Android ran their apps, with the way that Android does it allowing for malicious software, but iOS cutting the app off from its surroundings much more (it's called 'sandboxing' I think?) and therefore greatly reducing, or even stopping, the possibilities for malicious software?

[0000]

No. Sandboxing is a thing and Android does it.

[rovermorris999]

And here's me with a 10 year-old Razr V3. How do I survive?

[Fastdruid]

Jon1967x said:

ZesPak said:

I'll repeat myself, you'll have a very hard time finding stuff that's easier to do on iOS.

I had a Samsung s4 for a year and tried really hard to get it to do what I wanted it to do.

Have a single app that showed my work and personal email accounts - not possible on android as its a different app for lotus notes

Well that's more that Lotus notes is sh*t than Androids fault. Perfectly possible for an app to handle multiple mail servers, just not those designed by a 5 year old using crayons.

Jon1967x said:

Have a single consolidated diary view where birthdays from contacts and personal events are visible alongside work meetings - again not possible

Not true, I've just tried it. Works perfectly well. Only issue is getting work data into google calendar now that they've disabled the calendar sync apart from the google apps version for paying customers. You can have multiple google calendars though, assign them different colours and they all display on the same calendar app on the phone (S Planner in this test case).

Jon1967x said:

I ended up with 3 email clients on android - the obligatory gmail app, my personal none gmail in a 2nd app and then lotus notes in a 3rd.

Again Notes is sh*t which isn't the fault of Android. Without Notes you could have lost gmail (or used it to pick up your personal non-gmail) and used the 2nd app for gmail.

Jon1967x said:

Sync music to the device and actually finding one of the 4 apps that look like they play music to actually find the Music.

The way some companies have put umpteen music players is annoying and somewhat confusing, still mine has an app called "Music" which er plays music. It also pops up as the first "Recommend apps" choice when I plug in headphones.

Jon1967x said:

And then when connecting to my car it couldn't find the music if it was on the memory card.

More of a problem with the car!

Jon1967x said:

The only thing android pulled together were contacts and then promptly duplicated most of them.

That does annoy me somewhat but only because you have to join the contacts as it doesn't know that "Alex" in gmail is the same as "Alexander Smith" in facebook and "Smithy" in your phonebook and doesn't dare make the assumption otherwise there would be far worse consequences...

[Fastdruid]

budfox said:

All are a complete waste of time until battery technology improves massively. There is not a single smartphone on the market that allows you to use it in any way you see fit, all day long.

In fact, my experience suggests that there isn't one with a battery life greater than two hours when being worked hard.

Really? I have a Samsung S4 Active, admittedly I've not tested it in a while to see what the latest Android is getting (and with a year old battery) but when I got it I'd see ~24hours from charging with ~3 hours of screen time and there would still be ~20-25% battery remaining.

Now admittedly that might not be considered as "being worked hard" but it means I get a true day out of it and if I forget to charge it overnight there is still enough charge to use it in the morning until I get to work.

[Jon1967x]

Fastdruid said:

Jon1967x said:

ZesPak said:

I'll repeat myself, you'll have a very hard time finding stuff that's easier to do on iOS.

I had a Samsung s4 for a year and tried really hard to get it to do what I wanted it to do.

Have a single app that showed my work and personal email accounts - not possible on android as its a different app for lotus notes

Well that's more that Lotus notes is sh*t than Androids fault. Perfectly possible for an app to handle multiple mail servers, just not those designed by a 5 year old using crayons.

Jon1967x said:

Have a single consolidated diary view where birthdays from contacts and personal events are visible alongside work meetings - again not possible

Not true, I've just tried it. Works perfectly well. Only issue is getting work data into google calendar now that they've disabled the calendar sync apart from the google apps version for paying customers. You can have multiple google calendars though, assign them different colours and they all display on the same calendar app on the phone (S Planner in this test case).

Jon1967x said:

I ended up with 3 email clients on android - the obligatory gmail app, my personal none gmail in a 2nd app and then lotus notes in a 3rd.

Again Notes is sh*t which isn't the fault of Android. Without Notes you could have lost gmail (or used it to pick up your personal non-gmail) and used the 2nd app for gmail.

Jon1967x said:

Sync music to the device and actually finding one of the 4 apps that look like they play music to actually find the Music.

The way some companies have put umpteen music players is annoying and somewhat confusing, still mine has an app called "Music" which er plays music. It also pops up as the first "Recommend apps" choice when I plug in headphones.

Jon1967x said:

And then when connecting to my car it couldn't find the music if it was on the memory card.

More of a problem with the car!

Jon1967x said:

The only thing android pulled together were contacts and then promptly duplicated most of them.

That does annoy me somewhat but only because you have to join the contacts as it doesn't know that "Alex" in gmail is the same as "Alexander Smith" in facebook and "Smithy" in your phonebook and doesn't dare make the assumption otherwise there would be far worse consequences...

Good to see that all the issues I had are not Androids fault whereas the same issues don;t occur on the iphone. I call that being in denial.

The lotus notes diary and the g mail diary does not combine. No functions in android will use the lotus notes diary. (I can see the blame being passed to the app writer as I type)

Not everyone wants to use gmail - Apple let you have free choice and integrates them all seamlessly. Android doesn't.

[mike9009]

I am a big fan of the Windows OS. I have owned an (admittedly old) Android phone and my wife owns an iPhone.

It is obviously a personal choice as from my perspective the technological differences between them is somewhat blurred (I am fairly techy but not that much). The features and who introduced what first is a debate of a circular nature (and not won by any side conclusively). If my phone, makes calls, does email, text messages, plays video, has internet access, plays music via bluetooth and takes decent pictures then I am happy enough. All other 'advances', such as faster processor, huge ppi screens, fingerprint scanning are bells and whistles I do not really care much for.

I am awaiting the next major differentiator from the main players - and I can't really envisage what I personally would need a phone to do more.....

Going back to Windows OS, I just find it simple, clear, logical, quick and it works. If I would improve something it is the synchronisation of music and playlists (and I thought ITunes was bad!)

My wife hated Windows OS and has retuned to iOS which I dislike?? Go figure........


Mike

[technodup]

budfox said:

All are a complete waste of time until battery technology improves massively. There is not a single smartphone on the market that allows you to use it in any way you see fit, all day long.

Not in the mainstream, no. But if you venture further afield you can get a phone with nearly twice the battery of the latest iPhone. And at a quarter of the price. And it's got NFC and dual SIM and Sony camera and everything else any normal user needs.

THL 5000.

I've got one and I feel smugger than the smuggest Apple fanboy on launch day.

[ZesPak]

Jon1967x said:

I had a Samsung s4 for a year and tried really hard to get it to do what I wanted it to do.

Have a single app that showed my work and personal email accounts - not possible on android as its a different app for lotus notes

Have a single consolidated diary view where birthdays from contacts and personsl events are visible alongside work meetings - again not possible

I ended up with 3 email clients on android - the obligatory gmail app, my personal none gmail in a 2nd app and then lotus notes in a 3rd.

Sync music to the device and actually finding one of the 4 apps that look like they play music to actually find the Music. And then when connecting to my car it couldn't find the music if it was on the memory card.

The only thing android pulled together were contacts and then promptly

Probably the biggest bullst I've read all year. Do you regularly nearly strangle yourself while tying your shoelaces? From that post, it's impossible to believe you've actually held a S4 for more than five seconds.

[RobinBanks]

I have a Sony Xperia Z1 and I like it a lot, but as an OS the one I like most was BlackBerry 10. My last three phones have been on iOS 7, BB10 and Android 4.4.4, just to show I have used them all extensively.
Admittedly I haven't ever used Windows Phone. If I don't go back to BlackBerry, I will try it next.

[Fastdruid]

Jon1967x said:

Good to see that all the issues I had are not Androids fault whereas the same issues don;t occur on the iphone. I call that being in denial.

The lotus notes diary and the g mail diary does not combine. No functions in android will use the lotus notes diary. (I can see the blame being passed to the app writer as I type)

Not everyone wants to use gmail - Apple let you have free choice and integrates them all seamlessly. Android doesn't.

Ah now we have it. Nothing to do with Android itself and everything to do with one crappy proprietary groupware product that does not place nice. Android can do all the things you claimed it couldn't, except not with Domino/Notes (and I have not tried that and don't care to either so I'll believe you). None of this is the fault of Android itself, you might as well complain that Ios is sh*t because it doesn't understand Aztec while Android does because some company wrote an app to translate it for you and didn't for Ios.

There is no requirement to use gmail with Android, it's just the same as Apple ID in that regard only it comes with a "bonus" email account. My wife has an Android phone, she has a gmail account, she uses it only for the sign in. She never checks it.

Picking a phone because the apps support what you want to do is logical but nonsense to curse the phone because you have a bizarre edge case of required functionality that one phone doesn't meet.

[Jon1967x]

Fastdruid said:

Jon1967x said:

Good to see that all the issues I had are not Androids fault whereas the same issues don;t occur on the iphone. I call that being in denial.

The lotus notes diary and the g mail diary does not combine. No functions in android will use the lotus notes diary. (I can see the blame being passed to the app writer as I type)

Not everyone wants to use gmail - Apple let you have free choice and integrates them all seamlessly. Android doesn't.

Ah now we have it. Nothing to do with Android itself and everything to do with one crappy proprietary groupware product that does not place nice. Android can do all the things you claimed it couldn't, except not with Domino/Notes (and I have not tried that and don't care to either so I'll believe you). None of this is the fault of Android itself, you might as well complain that Ios is sh*t because it doesn't understand Aztec while Android does because some company wrote an app to translate it for you and didn't for Ios.

There is no requirement to use gmail with Android, it's just the same as Apple ID in that regard only it comes with a "bonus" email account. My wife has an Android phone, she has a gmail account, she uses it only for the sign in. She never checks it.

Picking a phone because the apps support what you want to do is logical but nonsense to curse the phone because you have a bizarre edge case of required functionality that one phone doesn't meet.

You guys need to take a look at yourselves. Anything that android can't do you just shoot off saying it's not worth doing, blaming 3rd party products or some other crap when iOS just does it.

So.. Is kies the last word in allowing sync with a PC? Samsung rubbish that doesn't work half the time. They dropped kies 2 and bought out kies 3 and the there were issues. Google the issues with kies not picking up outlook contacts (oops... Microsoft outlook is another obscure product).

There was a android update that caused a security pop up to occur 10 times a day because they hadn't updated something and every time you clicked the 'update security policy' or whatever it failed.

Then let's talk about connecting to the car. I can do Bluetooth streaming with either iPhone or android but I can plug the iPhone in and get all my music with album art etc. and the sound quality is better. Android acts like a usb stick which would still work except any music on the memory card can't be seen. Oh.. Sorry again, obscure bmw cars.

It's claimed you don't need anti virus and malware products yet there are loads on the market so there must be loads of android users who are mugs for buying them, or mugs for not thinking they need one. One of the two must be true.

Sound like somebody who hasn't tried it? Having invested several hundred quid on it I tried damn hard to get on with it and make it work. The issues are far wider than just notes on android to me. If you're happy then carry on, but like all religious fanatics you choose to dismiss any argument that doesn't suit your agenda.

I found (and I've said this before on one of these threads if you care to read) that android had the following features I liked that Apple don't have.. An incoming call will show the callers location in not in the contacts, the vibration on picking up and coloured light (model dependant) if you've missed calls or messages.. And that's about it. But these things aren't on every phone but each maker have different capabilities and fill it with their own extra bloat - Samsung seemingly one of the worst.

Edited by Jon1967x on Wednesday 24th September 22:32

[Crafty_]

Nice little rant jon. If you want to talk upgrades then remind me how iOS 8.0.1 is doing?
Remember the update where they fked up the clock and when the clocks went back the alarms didn't go off?
And yes I still have the odd chuckle at apple maps.

Yes kies is ste, don't bother with it. Does this make the entire ecosystem ste? Of course not. The thing about android is you have choice, there are any number of apps or there to sync stuff and they do work just fine, you don't have to be limited to using one way to do things.

I see the Samsung bloatware whinge too, just so you know it's 2014 now, not 2008. My Samsung has the following on it:
Email client
Music player
Text message app
Internet browser
Picture viewer
Health app
Note app
TV remote
Calendar
Camera app

A shocking amount of bloat there eh ? And no I don't use them all, BFD.

There are good and bad about both platforms but at least try and be a bit objective about it eh?

[Fastdruid]

Jon1967x said:

You guys need to take a look at yourselves. Anything that android can't do you just shoot off saying it's not worth doing, blaming 3rd party products or some other crap when iOS just does it.

So Ios works out of the box with Notes does it? No you need an app. That the App works better on Ios than Android is the fault of the App not Android!

Jon1967x said:

So.. Is kies the last word in allowing sync with a PC? Samsung rubbish that doesn't work half the time. They dropped kies 2 and bought out kies 3 and the there were issues. Google the issues with kies not picking up outlook contacts (oops... Microsoft outlook is another obscure product).

Kies is Samsung, NOT Android! (and I agree it's sh*t).

Jon1967x said:

Then let's talk about connecting to the car. I can do Bluetooth streaming with either iPhone or android but I can plug the iPhone in and get all my music with album art etc. and the sound quality is better. Android acts like a usb stick which would still work except any music on the memory card can't be seen. Oh.. Sorry again, obscure bmw cars.

No, that's not an obscure car, that's BMW having decided to made it work with Iphone and not Android. Either they looked at the demographics of their buyers and picked Iphone, they picked a "provider" that happens to work better with Iphone or they just plain picked one and it happened to be Apple. The same reason a while back there was a whole host of cars with "Ipod connectivity". Those with any other make of mp3 player could equally be throwing a paddy that their mp3 player doesn't play with their car. Much though I'd love to every car work with every phone there is only so much money that even BMW are willing to spend and they've picked their horse in Apple.

My car doesn't work properly with my phone either (it gets confused with the contacts), but that's a Ford issue rather than a Android issue (and annoyingly it works perfectly in a 2014 Ford car I had as a hire for a few weeks).

Jon1967x said:

It's claimed you don't need anti virus and malware products yet there are loads on the market so there must be loads of android users who are mugs for buying them, or mugs for not thinking they need one. One of the two must be true.

They don't work for PC's either.

Jon1967x said:

Sound like somebody who hasn't tried it? Having invested several hundred quid on it I tried damn hard to get on with it and make it work. The issues are far wider than just notes on android to me. If you're happy then carry on, but like all religious fanatics you choose to dismiss any argument that doesn't suit your agenda.

It's nothing about dismissing any argument that doesn't suit my agenda, you haven't made a single argument against Android, all you have argued against has been either:

1) My 90's era shonky and obsolete groupware product isn't supported very well.
2) A manufacturer has chosen to support Apple over Android and so it doesn't work as well.
3) The manufacturer of the phone has crap software (I agree btw, Kies is an abomination).
4) 3rd party unrelated to Android itself.

There are lots of valid arguments against Android (and indeed Google) but the only gripe you actually seem to have with Android apart from that it's not supported seems to be the multiple contacts which is something that is a valid annoyance but once you've sorted it stays sorted.

[Jon1967x]

iOS does not need an app for notes

The whole package of an iPhone is better than android for me. What's the point of picking an android phone if the flagship products at the time does not fit into my life and many people like me? For you it might, for me it doesn't. You can't dismiss its integration into the real world for many. If my dad had bought android he would have needed to type every contact in again from his PC account.

[Pints]

The "best" OS is surely the one you're most used to or comfortable with.

Here's a little anecdote for your consideration...

Having recently moved from Windows to Android, I was yesterday (no, it was Tuesday) handed an iPhone by a colleague to install a little known app called WhatsApp.

It's the first time I'd held an iPhone (apart from the occasional "look at this hilarious photo of a cat" incidents). I had no idea where to go to find an app, so after looking for what felt like 30 seconds I handed it back. He pushed a few icons. Et voila! I could start my search.
Except there was no keyboard, so I couldn't. I persisted and a keyboard appeared.
I found the app but then I didn't know how to install it. Jabbing at the screen only seemed to make it angry.

I eventually decided discretion and valour had something to do with it, so I handed the phone back with the instruction to "install that".

Do I think IOS is an easier to use system than Android? Not in my experience, but that's probably because I am used to Windows and Android.
Would an avid iPhone user have difficulties using an Android? Probably not, because I'm always being told how easy IOS is to use. So that must mean I'm a bit thick and Android is even easier to use than the already easy to use IOS.

Or maybe, just maybe, we become familiar with what we know and that makes "my" OS easier to use than "your" OS.

Oh, and Dave is now proudly displaying the WhatsApp icon on his phone and probably wondering how he ever lived without it.

[ZesPak]

Jon1967x said:

If my dad had bought android he would have needed to type every contact in again from his PC account.

Wait, how would that happen?
I've moved many people to WP, iOS and Android alike, NEVER did I have to enter any contacts manually?
There are dozens of ways to move contacts to Gmail, and from there they can play nice with iOS and Android alike.

As for Kies, yes it's a pile of st, but I had an SGS2 and we have hundreds of SGS phones we maintain and I never had to use it, ever. Why would you? What's with this "syncing" by cable? Are we in 2005?
iOS went the same way, you don't really need iTunes any more, maybe for backups but not for everyday activity, so both of them are irrelevant when it comes to arguments (I can live with both Kies/iTunes for the 1h I use it every year to update devices).

As for Lotus Notes, a bit of an oddball but we've implemented it in BYOD environments and used IBM Notes Traveller without any issues. Yes, it's a separate client but it works just fine. Can't see what all the fuss is about.

It's great that you love your iPhone as much as you do, but you seem to be making a big fuss over nothing. You're one of those people that got a £500 SGS4 from work, dislike it before you even held it in your hand, and then, of course, prove it to yourself. Self-fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one.

There's no denying Android has been ahead for years in the functionality department (look at the new features in iOS 6-8), while iPhone apologists have to resort to non-measurable terms like "look & feel", "smoothness", "tactile", "ease of use",...

Having used a plethora of devices, Android has come a long way and overtook iOS some time ago in almost every area. Use a modern Android phone (Nexus 5, Moto G,...) and prove me wrong. The iPhone might be better for you, just like Windows is better for most people because they already use it or they have a very particular application that only runs on it. That doesn't take away from the fact that if they invested the time in OSX and find an alternative to their application, they might find it better to Windows in some ways. But, I agree with you, they shouldn't have to.
Therefore, by your reasoning, OSX is vastly inferior.

Pints said:

The "best" OS is surely the one you're most used to or comfortable with.

...
Or maybe, just maybe, we become familiar with what we know and that makes "my" OS easier to use than "your" OS.

Nail. Head.
I've got most types of devices just because I need to work with them on a nearly daily basis. There's a different approach to doing stuff on all the systems. Different, not easier, better or more logical.

Edited by ZesPak on Thursday 25th September 08:15

[Jon1967x]

ZesPak said:

Jon1967x said:

If my dad had bought android he would have needed to type every contact in again from his PC account.

Wait, how would that happen?
I've moved many people to WP, iOS and Android alike, NEVER did I have to enter any contacts manually?
There are dozens of ways to move contacts to Gmail, and from there they can play nice with iOS and Android alike.

As for Kies, yes it's a pile of st, but I had an SGS2 and we have hundreds of SGS phones we maintain and I never had to use it, ever. Why would you? What's with this "syncing" by cable? Are we in 2005?
iOS went the same way, you don't really need iTunes any more, maybe for backups but not for everyday activity, so both of them are irrelevant when it comes to arguments (I can live with both Kies/iTunes for the 1h I use it every year to update devices).

As for Lotus Notes, a bit of an oddball but we've implemented it in BYOD environments and used IBM Notes Traveller without any issues. Yes, it's a separate client but it works just fine. Can't see what all the fuss is about.

It's great that you love your iPhone as much as you do, but you seem to be making a big fuss over nothing. You're one of those people that got a £500 SGS4 from work, dislike it before you even held it in your hand, and then, of course, prove it to yourself. Self-fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one.

There's no denying Android has been ahead for years in the functionality department (look at the new features in iOS 6-8), while iPhone apologists have to resort to non-measurable terms like "look & feel", "smoothness", "tactile", "ease of use",...

Having used a plethora of devices, Android has come a long way and overtook iOS some time ago in almost every area. Use a modern Android phone (Nexus 5, Moto G,...) and prove me wrong. The iPhone might be better for you, just like Windows is better for most people because they already use it or they have a very particular application that only runs on it. That doesn't take away from the fact that if they invested the time in OSX and find an alternative to their application, they might find it better to Windows in some ways. But, I agree with you, they shouldn't have to.
Therefore, by your reasoning, OSX is vastly inferior.

You see you're off again saying I'm wrong.

You've moved people between devices - great - I did it. Do you think my dad would think.. I know what I need to do, I need to install that software that enables me to export my contacts from outlook in gmail, before I do that I need to create a gmail account, import them, expect them to stay in sync everywhere so I could edit where I want on either device, load them into my phone, etc. No, he'd do what samsung suggest and install kies and wonder why it doesn't work. And after messing around for a while, he'd end up typing them in and they'd never be in sync again. Its a use case that would apply to him. If he was in gmail with his contacts in there, he'd be fine. He's not.

Notes - yep - I got the app installed like you suggest, but it was a different app. As was the calendar. And to do list. And everything else.

I had iphones for best part of 4 years and moved to android because I was bored, I had it on contract, it was MY money not some company throw away that I had no interest in. I persisted for over a year and got it working to an extent. Then I upgraded the OS and had constant security nagging going on. Sorted that eventually. But after a year I moved back to my old iphone 4 out of low level frustrations I've already mentioned. I got well past the "unfamiliar" stage after a year of use.

If you are correct in the latest generation android devices by other makes then great, but Samsung has done no end of harm to android in my book. Out the box why do I need both a gmail and an email app (before I've installed my notes mail app)? Why do I need Play store and Samsung Apps and Samsung Hub? Just too much fragmented content.

At the end of the day Android v IOS is a war that will have different opinions. Its not just about familiarity, its also about your situation and what you value, and I value a lot more what apple offer compared to android, certainly on Samsung. You value Android more. Thats fine. This thread, "settle the old argument" is never going to be settled as there isn't an answer. End of.

[RobM77]

My Dad bought an Android tablet a couple of years ago and my wife and I both have to help him use it every time we go over to see my parents. I took my iPad last time to show him some holiday photos and he viewed the photos and then went on the web briefly without asking any questions at all. Now I'm not a 66 year old technophobe, but I do often struggle with the Android tablet when I have to help him, and the contrast between the two OSs in my mind is quite clear. I can understand people liking either, or indeed both, but for me it's iOS all the way (for now...). It's just a personal preference thing.

[ZesPak]

Jon1967x said:

Do you think my dad would think.. I know what I need to do, I need to install that software that enables me to export my contacts from outlook in gmail, before I do that I need to create a gmail account, import them, expect them to stay in sync everywhere so I could edit where I want on either device, load them into my phone, etc. No, he'd do what samsung suggest and install kies and wonder why it doesn't work. And after messing around for a while, he'd end up typing them in and they'd never be in sync again. Its a use case that would apply to him. If he was in gmail with his contacts in there, he'd be fine. He's not.

See, Kies for syncing contacts between the phone and Outlook has worked for me like iTunes has.
I'm just saying that this isn't an issue for any of my configurations, as I just sync them with a gmail account (gsyncit) and they are there, without a cable or need for any of the two evils, hell, if you'd tell my mom she'd have to hook up her iPhone to sync her contacts to her computer she'd think you're conning her in some way.
I'm just saying for contacts, mails, calendars, there's really no need for either iTunes or Kies, without going into detail into which piece of software makes me want to kill myself more.

I have a OSX machine, windows machines, android devices, iphone and iPad. I would spend the better half of the day syncing them if I needed to hook them up to sync a contact.

Jon1967x said:

If you are correct in the latest generation android devices by other makes then great, but Samsung has done no end of harm to android in my book.

It has, as I said, a big problem Android has is that people think Android = Samsung.

Jon1967x said:

Out the box why do I need both a gmail and an email app (before I've installed my notes mail app)?

It's a different approach, I've set up iPhones with separate apps for private and business accounts. Android went that route. On my iPhone, I use the basic mail app for Exchange and the Gmail app for Gmail.
If you want them combined, there's a couple of great apps like K9 mail.

The basic app on the iPhone doesn't play nice with labels used in gmail for example. And, it's still possible to use your gmail account on the basic android app, the Gmail app just is easier to use for gmail on both platforms (imo), but the basic app works on both if that's what you want to achieve.

In short,
Android: Basic app and gmail app installed, basic app can take both imap, pop3, exchange, gmail,...
iOS: Basic app installed, gmail can be found in Store, basic app can take both imap, pop3, exchange, gmail,...

Jon1967x said:

Why do I need Play store and Samsung Apps and Samsung Hub? Just too much fragmented content.

As said, Samsung... To be fair, they were doing great with the SGS2 and then (imho) dropped the ball completely for the SGS3.
Samsung is the worst of this, marketing it as Android but then delivering nothing of the sort. At least Amazon markets it as a completely different system.

Jon1967x said:

At the end of the day Android v IOS is a war that will have different opinions. Its not just about familiarity, its also about your situation and what you value, and I value a lot more what apple offer compared to android, certainly on Samsung. You value Android more. Thats fine. This thread, "settle the old argument" is never going to be settled as there isn't an answer. End of.

I agree, it isn't going to be settled. Because we're at a point specs don't matter at all anymore. And apparently, nor does functionality.
I'll enjoy my Android phone and I'm eagerly awaiting the "new" functions on my iPhone to have a play with them.