Windows 10!

[Skyedriver]

As a bit of a luddite withan old lap top on Vista but looking to buy a new lap top (was going to go looking today) should I hold back a year and wait for 10 or plunge headlong into 8.1?

[ZesPak]

Always have the most recent Windows installed, Windows 8 was very annoying at first but at core a very solid os. They addressed my main issue in 8.1 though. Overall very happy with it.

As mentioned, Microsoft "gets" the need for omniplatform representation. Their approach, while maybe not the best in execution, shows that they are anything but a stale old company that's set in its way. They are not afraid of change, have a very solid foot in the corporate world and their market share as desktop and laptop OS is huge.
I don't think they've lost their way. They did a solid effort to make touchscreens work on a desktop os.

I was sceptical about touchscreens on laptops, until I was forced to work on one for a day.

Bring on Windows 10, can't wait to see it work.

[wolves_wanderer]

Blown2CV said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Its pretty rapid for a pre-beta.

As a fresh bare install

Windows 8.1 hasn't slowed perceptibly on any of the machines I have it running on.

[Foliage]

ZesPak said:

Always have the most recent Windows installed, Windows 8 was very annoying at first but at core a very solid os. They addressed my main issue in 8.1 though. Overall very happy with it.

The main issue for me with windows 8 & 8.1 is figuring out how to do stuff, it wasn't the most intuitive when coming from 7, I couldnt at a glance even figure out how to shut my machine down in 8, it was different but the didn't seem to make any effort to put in tool tips or a tutorial (maybe their is one but when I installed it I didn't expect to have to use it) to help people adapt to a completely different environment.

[Blown2CV]

wolves_wanderer said:

Blown2CV said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Its pretty rapid for a pre-beta.

As a fresh bare install

Windows 8.1 hasn't slowed perceptibly on any of the machines I have it running on.

windows-heads have said that on every version since inception, and yet i've seen in the press the question if Windows 10 finally going to be the version where MS sort out 'windows degradation', so there must be a view that 8.1 does in fact degrade. There are so many variables, but what it generally boils down to is registry bloat created by numerous installs, uninstalls, config changes... i dunno the details but it's such a long standing thing I am not sure MS will ever truly sort it. If it's generally accepted that it doesn't happen anymore then great.

[ZesPak]

Foliage said:

ZesPak said:

Always have the most recent Windows installed, Windows 8 was very annoying at first but at core a very solid os. They addressed my main issue in 8.1 though. Overall very happy with it.

The main issue for me with windows 8 & 8.1 is figuring out how to do stuff, it wasn't the most intuitive when coming from 7, I couldnt at a glance even figure out how to shut my machine down in 8, it was different but the didn't seem to make any effort to put in tool tips or a tutorial (maybe their is one but when I installed it I didn't expect to have to use it) to help people adapt to a completely different environment.

One of my main gripes with Windows 8. In 8.1, you can just right click the start button/"flag" and shut down any way you like.

[wolves_wanderer]

Blown2CV said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Blown2CV said:

wolves_wanderer said:

Its pretty rapid for a pre-beta.

As a fresh bare install

Windows 8.1 hasn't slowed perceptibly on any of the machines I have it running on.

windows-heads have said that on every version since inception, and yet i've seen in the press the question if Windows 10 finally going to be the version where MS sort out 'windows degradation', so there must be a view that 8.1 does in fact degrade. There are so many variables, but what it generally boils down to is registry bloat created by numerous installs, uninstalls, config changes... i dunno the details but it's such a long standing thing I am not sure MS will ever truly sort it. If it's generally accepted that it doesn't happen anymore then great.

I don't remember people claiming it was fixed any time before 7 personally.

7 was (in my experience) affected to a fairly limited extent and 8.1 has been completely free of it. Maybe a reason could be that I'm now running on SSDs rather than mechanical drives. Windows 8 is also the first version to nag you about having numerous start-up items running so most people would see improved performance just from keeping on top of that I would imagine.

[alock]

ZesPak said:

Foliage said:

ZesPak said:

Always have the most recent Windows installed, Windows 8 was very annoying at first but at core a very solid os. They addressed my main issue in 8.1 though. Overall very happy with it.

The main issue for me with windows 8 & 8.1 is figuring out how to do stuff, it wasn't the most intuitive when coming from 7, I couldnt at a glance even figure out how to shut my machine down in 8, it was different but the didn't seem to make any effort to put in tool tips or a tutorial (maybe their is one but when I installed it I didn't expect to have to use it) to help people adapt to a completely different environment.

One of my main gripes with Windows 8. In 8.1, you can just right click the start button/"flag" and shut down any way you like.

I don't think I've shut a computer down in the last few years. I just close the lid on the laptop and walk away from my desktop leaving it to decide when to sleep.

[Rawwr]

I'm enjoying W10 so far. It really is what Windows 8[.1] should've been in the first place. The relatively simple changes to the UI make everything so much more coherent and simpler to use. I'm happy that I have a start menu and happy that Apps no longer need to run full-screen. It's showing a lot of promise.

[ZesPak]

alock said:

I don't think I've shut a computer down in the last few years. I just close the lid on the laptop and walk away from my desktop leaving it to decide when to sleep.

Agreed, I see why they didn't make it as readily accessible (most computer keyboards have a sleep button as well these days), but we have a couple of computers where it was an "issue". Windows was never designed for the "lowest common denominator" AFAIK. Anyway, they fixed it now.

[ZesPak]

Sheets Tabuer said:

yup, desktop feature is pretty handy.

I like the look of that!
Is it comparable/exactly the same as the OSX/Ubuntu implementation?
I expect a lot of people to "lose" a lot of open windows this way in the near future .

[xRIEx]

RobDickinson said:

Aparently calling it windows 9 wouldn't have been enough to show the huge change it is.

Windows 7 to 8 wasn't big enough?

Ffs utterly pretentious.

I agree, just like Aston Martin.

[Blown2CV]

xRIEx said:

RobDickinson said:

Aparently calling it windows 9 wouldn't have been enough to show the huge change it is.

Windows 7 to 8 wasn't big enough?

Ffs utterly pretentious.

I agree, just like Aston Martin.

there is some stuff in the tech press about the reason being MS trying to avoid a Y2K style bug where many lazy application developers over the last 10 years or so, when programatically determining the version of windows their app is running within, have code that searches for all OS strings beginning with "Windows 9" and infers that they are Windows 95 or 98. Not sure if true, but maybe there's also a degree of 'fresh start' about it. Nothing pretentious whatsoever, after all they can call their own product whatever the fk they want. They only started using numbers again with 7, if you remember. Versioned product vendors have been doing it for a long time. Commonplace in the Linux world, which is definitely not pretentious.

Don't get the Aston Martin joke, presume it's a "i've been searching your profile for something to try and use against you dig".

[ZesPak]

Blown2CV said:

there is some stuff in the tech press about the reason being MS trying to avoid a Y2K style bug where many lazy application developers over the last 10 years or so, when programatically determining the version of windows their app is running within, have code that searches for all OS strings beginning with "Windows 9" and infers that they are Windows 95 or 98. Not sure if true, but maybe there's also a degree of 'fresh start' about it. Nothing pretentious whatsoever, after all they can call their own product whatever the fk they want. They only started using numbers again with 7, if you remember. Versioned product vendors have been doing it for a long time. Commonplace in the Linux world, which is definitely not pretentious.

Don't get the Aston Martin joke, presume it's a "i've been searching your profile for something to try and use against you dig".

That would be great if true, but I think they wouldn't let the name one of their key products be determined by some lazy developers, would they?
I like the explanation that 9 is akin to "13" in the japanese culture. It would make a bit of sense. But, then again, most numbers will probably mean something bad in some culture.
Anyway, as said, it's their prerogative. Samsung decided to call the SGS4 the S4 instead of the SIV, and, as Blown2CV said, desktop windows naming hasn't had any consistency so far .

Windows 3.X
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 10

[xRIEx]

Blown2CV said:

xRIEx said:

RobDickinson said:

Aparently calling it windows 9 wouldn't have been enough to show the huge change it is.

Windows 7 to 8 wasn't big enough?

Ffs utterly pretentious.

I agree, just like Aston Martin.

there is some stuff in the tech press about the reason being MS trying to avoid a Y2K style bug where many lazy application developers over the last 10 years or so, when programatically determining the version of windows their app is running within, have code that searches for all OS strings beginning with "Windows 9" and infers that they are Windows 95 or 98. Not sure if true, but maybe there's also a degree of 'fresh start' about it. Nothing pretentious whatsoever, after all they can call their own product whatever the fk they want. They only started using numbers again with 7, if you remember. Versioned product vendors have been doing it for a long time. Commonplace in the Linux world, which is definitely not pretentious.

Don't get the Aston Martin joke, presume it's a "i've been searching your profile for something to try and use against you dig".

Searching whose profile? AM model names went from DB7 to DB9 because 'it was such a leap forward'.

[wolves_wanderer]

ZesPak said:

Blown2CV said:

there is some stuff in the tech press about the reason being MS trying to avoid a Y2K style bug where many lazy application developers over the last 10 years or so, when programatically determining the version of windows their app is running within, have code that searches for all OS strings beginning with "Windows 9" and infers that they are Windows 95 or 98. Not sure if true, but maybe there's also a degree of 'fresh start' about it. Nothing pretentious whatsoever, after all they can call their own product whatever the fk they want. They only started using numbers again with 7, if you remember. Versioned product vendors have been doing it for a long time. Commonplace in the Linux world, which is definitely not pretentious.

Don't get the Aston Martin joke, presume it's a "i've been searching your profile for something to try and use against you dig".

That would be great if true, but I think they wouldn't let the name one of their key products be determined by some lazy developers, would they?
I like the explanation that 9 is akin to "13" in the japanese culture. It would make a bit of sense. But, then again, most numbers will probably mean something bad in some culture.
Anyway, as said, it's their prerogative. Samsung decided to call the SGS4 the S4 instead of the SIV, and, as Blown2CV said, desktop windows naming hasn't had any consistency so far .

Windows 3.X
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8
Windows 10

Maybe Windows 9 sounds too much like a protest march of angry German Linux geeks?

[ZesPak]

wolves_wanderer said:

Maybe Windows 9 sounds too much like a protest march of angry German Linux geeks?

Or an Apple ad in Germany

[Blown2CV]

xRIEx said:

Blown2CV said:

xRIEx said:

RobDickinson said:

Aparently calling it windows 9 wouldn't have been enough to show the huge change it is.

Windows 7 to 8 wasn't big enough?

Ffs utterly pretentious.

I agree, just like Aston Martin.

there is some stuff in the tech press about the reason being MS trying to avoid a Y2K style bug where many lazy application developers over the last 10 years or so, when programatically determining the version of windows their app is running within, have code that searches for all OS strings beginning with "Windows 9" and infers that they are Windows 95 or 98. Not sure if true, but maybe there's also a degree of 'fresh start' about it. Nothing pretentious whatsoever, after all they can call their own product whatever the fk they want. They only started using numbers again with 7, if you remember. Versioned product vendors have been doing it for a long time. Commonplace in the Linux world, which is definitely not pretentious.

Don't get the Aston Martin joke, presume it's a "i've been searching your profile for something to try and use against you dig".

Searching whose profile? AM model names went from DB7 to DB9 because 'it was such a leap forward'.

ha i get you now!

[wolves_wanderer]

doogz said:

Skyedriver said:

As a bit of a luddite withan old lap top on Vista but looking to buy a new lap top (was going to go looking today) should I hold back a year and wait for 10 or plunge headlong into 8.1?

IIRC, anyone with W8 gets a free upgrade to 10 when it comes out.

It's equally likely I made that up though. I vaguely remember reading it somewhere, but really not sure.

I've seen the same but not sure if it has been officially confirmed. I think it is safe to assume that, at the very least, there will be something similar to the £25 introductory offer that Windows 8 had.

[Blown2CV]

now the free upgrade from 8 to 8.1 i can understand, being as 8 got panned when it came out... but why the free major upgrade? Surely that's cannibalising the mainstay of their business model?!