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jbudgie said:
Pah, MS don't need a keylogger to get my data. But yes, do read the conditions, this is a pre-beta development programme which will return data to MS.
Blown2CV said:
now the free upgrade from 8 to 8.1 i can understand, being as 8 got panned when it came out... but why the free major upgrade? Surely that's cannibalising the mainstay of their business model?!
I would imagine that the number of consumers who actually buy and upgrade Windows is miniscule compared to businesses or licencing sales with new equipment. Operating systems are increasingly commoditised now as well. OSX is free, (albeit you pay more for the hardware), phone and tablet OS upgrades are free as well. MS are increasingly looking to use Windows as the gateway to making money out of their services rather than just relying on the sales of the OS.
Well I think many vendors have understood that infrastructure software is a commodity, and make money in other ways. However MS kind of IS windows. They aren't a polished physical product company no matter how many surfaces they make or nokias they buy. If they stop charging people for windows then they need to have a clear strategy on how to grow not because of this, but in spite of it. Office 365 subscriptions and windows server licenses aren't a future. I am yet to see a reinvention of MS on the horizon.
Blown2CV said:
Well I think many vendors have understood that infrastructure software is a commodity, and make money in other ways. However MS kind of IS windows. They aren't a polished physical product company no matter how many surfaces they make or nokias they buy. If they stop charging people for windows then they need to have a clear strategy on how to grow not because of this, but in spite of it. Office 365 subscriptions and windows server licenses aren't a future. I am yet to see a reinvention of MS on the horizon.
Seriously? Quadruple post?MS is not windows. Yes, it's one of their core products.
Windows Server Licenses are not the future? Really? It's been one of MS most profitable branches in the past decade. Not forgetting the widespread adoption of Exchange, Active Directory amongst others.
Don't forget that MS is also the biggest software developer for OSX as well. Because of Office. Of course, the OSX market is marginal but MS has got a very strong hold on the worksuite environment (ever tried to work in an environment that tried to adapt to Open Office or worse, iWork?).
As for the "not a polished physical product company". Again, how do you get to that? The Xbox, Surfaces and Lumia's are all that, aren't they?
And while none may be the biggest in their respective market, the Xbox for example turned the gaming console market upside down.
Ok, the Surface and Lumias may not have followed there
Does MS need Windows? Maybe, just like Apple may need the iPhone. I'm not so sure.
But, I agree, they'll probably continue to charge to have it installed on other devices (as opposed to, for example Android and Ubuntu).
Off topic, the new 12" iPad is rumoured to be able to run both iOS and OSX, if they pull it off I'll be very curious as to the experience it gives. The new Surface Pro 3 (and a lot of other "confused" devices) are a pleasure to work with on both touchscreen and keyboard.
marcgti6 said:
So, if I install the beta, what happens when it's actually released? Will the beta no longer work or just continue to run as a beta i.e. no updates etc?
I've just bought a new SSD so tempted to run it and have a nosey.
It will run to a certain date then it will flash up messages. The messages will be along the lines of your trial etc is coming to an end then it will probably remove the background on your screen to prompt you to buy and install a release version. Then it will likely just stop working.I've just bought a new SSD so tempted to run it and have a nosey.
Then the Microsoft people who know where you live will be round
It works for a few months after release date but scenario above is semi accurate
gpo746 said:
It will run to a certain date then it will flash up messages. The messages will be along the lines of your trial etc is coming to an end then it will probably remove the background on your screen to prompt you to buy and install a release version. Then it will likely just stop working.
Then the Microsoft people who know where you live will be round
It works for a few months after release date but scenario above is semi accurate
Ah ok, thanks for the info Then the Microsoft people who know where you live will be round
It works for a few months after release date but scenario above is semi accurate
marcgti6 said:
gpo746 said:
It will run to a certain date then it will flash up messages. The messages will be along the lines of your trial etc is coming to an end then it will probably remove the background on your screen to prompt you to buy and install a release version. Then it will likely just stop working.
Then the Microsoft people who know where you live will be round
It works for a few months after release date but scenario above is semi accurate
Ah ok, thanks for the info Then the Microsoft people who know where you live will be round
It works for a few months after release date but scenario above is semi accurate
Cant remember when "7" was trialled how long you had after the "pull date" but blank screen scenario thing kicked in. Personally I suspect that it wont be too long now so again personally I wouldn't install anything else on it such as say MS Office that required use of a key. Whilst you can take it off one and use it on another etc its a bit chancy possibly losing the used of it on trial software
Oh one other thing. I had an issue when I trialled it of it taking control as in admin rights over an I tunes library on a usb drive. It meant I couldn't then access that drive when I ut it back to another machine. It was odd and annoying and probably some early bug
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/7865539/microsof...
Some exciting looking stuff, I guess the question as always with MS is can they execute. Hololens looks potentially brilliant.
Some exciting looking stuff, I guess the question as always with MS is can they execute. Hololens looks potentially brilliant.
I'm actually rather impressed by what I've just seen. Giving it away free does have the feel of a 'make or break it' moment for the company, though.
The omnipresence of OneNote is great for someone like me who already has many workflows structured around it - I've grown to tolerate Windows 8.1 just so I can use OneNote on a Surface Pro. Spartan looks really good. Even the desktop environment finally looks to be coherently designed (but, actual Explorer windows were not shown...). The streaming feature also has me thinking about an Xbox.
Maybe at Build we'll see the next Surface and it will be time to whole-heartedly jump back into the Windows world - at least for productivity. Most of my writing tools just don't have Windows equivalents...
The omnipresence of OneNote is great for someone like me who already has many workflows structured around it - I've grown to tolerate Windows 8.1 just so I can use OneNote on a Surface Pro. Spartan looks really good. Even the desktop environment finally looks to be coherently designed (but, actual Explorer windows were not shown...). The streaming feature also has me thinking about an Xbox.
Maybe at Build we'll see the next Surface and it will be time to whole-heartedly jump back into the Windows world - at least for productivity. Most of my writing tools just don't have Windows equivalents...
dxg said:
I'm actually rather impressed by what I've just seen. Giving it away free does have the feel of a 'make or break it' moment for the company, though.
The omnipresence of OneNote is great for someone like me who already has many workflows structured around it - I've grown to tolerate Windows 8.1 just so I can use OneNote on a Surface Pro. Spartan looks really good. Even the desktop environment finally looks to be coherently designed (but, actual Explorer windows were not shown...). The streaming feature also has me thinking about an Xbox.
Maybe at Build we'll see the next Surface and it will be time to whole-heartedly jump back into the Windows world - at least for productivity. Most of my writing tools just don't have Windows equivalents...
I've started to make use of OneNote (have it on the phone and Windows tablet), shame that we don't have a corporate copy available (it isn't part of our normal desktop suite). Pretty useful application, it surprises me a lot ... I've also been liking Windows 8.1 on my Acer tablet - although it does feel relatively clunky on my sons laptop without a touchscreen.The omnipresence of OneNote is great for someone like me who already has many workflows structured around it - I've grown to tolerate Windows 8.1 just so I can use OneNote on a Surface Pro. Spartan looks really good. Even the desktop environment finally looks to be coherently designed (but, actual Explorer windows were not shown...). The streaming feature also has me thinking about an Xbox.
Maybe at Build we'll see the next Surface and it will be time to whole-heartedly jump back into the Windows world - at least for productivity. Most of my writing tools just don't have Windows equivalents...
The "pricing" will give people no reason to not upgrade; the W8.1 tablet tends to feel snappier than my W7 laptop, despite the slight performance difference (Quad core atom v i7). I'll definitely upgrade both the tablet and the laptop.
My big caveat will be mobile. I have a Lumia 1020, and whilst I should wait to see others experiences with it before upgrading .... nut I am on the developer preview OS at the moment, so may upgrade that first.
wolves_wanderer said:
Free to upgrade from Windows 7 onwards
Hmm. But you can't install a new OS in place of an existing one, "underneath" all your installed applications, right? You'd have to install Win10 and then all you apps all over again. Sounds like a insufficient levels of fun for me. Win7 SP1 suits me just fine.
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