What's with the boring design of modern websites?
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Matt.. said:
Another comment on the IE6 issue... (or non-issue as it's been for years!).
One of the sites i have Google Analytics info on has has 90,000+ ecommerce transactions this year. Guess how many are IE6?
17.
This is only relavent if your site actually WORKS with IE6 - and from the sound of it you may not have tested it. If that site just plain isn't usable in IE6 then anyone who hits it goes to a competitor and probably won't come back - even when they have upgraded to a newer browser.One of the sites i have Google Analytics info on has has 90,000+ ecommerce transactions this year. Guess how many are IE6?
17.
Customers are hard to win, but easy to loose.
Our users are on corporate desktops in banks, building societies, insurance companies, investment houses, etc. We have had one logged in user on the system this year using IE6, three in 2013, twenty in 2012, 76 in 2011. I would say that for our purposes it is now pretty much out of support.
otolith said:
Our users are on corporate desktops in banks, building societies, insurance companies, investment houses, etc. We have had one logged in user on the system this year using IE6, three in 2013, twenty in 2012, 76 in 2011. I would say that for our purposes it is now pretty much out of support.
Out of 5 users, that's still 20%!
otolith said:
Yes, I get your point. I'm not telling you how many customers we have. I can tell you that the number using IE6 has declined massively over the last few years, and the last remaining one stopped using it a few months back.
You don't have to, percentages are much easier to work through.But I see, 1 is negligible in nearly any half decent website. Safe to say it's below .1%?
Also, the end of support for XP must have had a hand in this. Companies that usually update slowly (the kind you describe) are now more or less "forced" to do so.
Yes, safe to say that.
The problem for a business like ours which deals entirely with corporate customers is that we have a relatively small number of high value users (by ecommerce standards), and users have no control over their desktop environment. So if they are running an old browser, we either support it or lose the business. But it's also the case that what we offer is a specialised business tool, so although the public facing site needs to survive a form over function judgement as a shop window, the need for aesthetic frippery on the functional pages is relatively minimal.
The problem for a business like ours which deals entirely with corporate customers is that we have a relatively small number of high value users (by ecommerce standards), and users have no control over their desktop environment. So if they are running an old browser, we either support it or lose the business. But it's also the case that what we offer is a specialised business tool, so although the public facing site needs to survive a form over function judgement as a shop window, the need for aesthetic frippery on the functional pages is relatively minimal.
IE6 is so expensive to support there is absolutely no way that any conceivable customer income can outweighs the cost of supporting such an antique. It is cheaper to say goodbye to those customers. They are unlikely to be high value customers if they are still stuck on XP anyway. It's not even worth supporting IE7 or IE8.
The exceptions are China and the Middle East. If you want to sell there then you need to support IE6 because nobody has a genuine licenced copy of Windows so they can't upgrade.
The exceptions are China and the Middle East. If you want to sell there then you need to support IE6 because nobody has a genuine licenced copy of Windows so they can't upgrade.
londonbabe said:
IE6 is so expensive to support there is absolutely no way that any conceivable customer income can outweighs the cost of supporting such an antique. It is cheaper to say goodbye to those customers. They are unlikely to be high value customers if they are still stuck on XP anyway. It's not even worth supporting IE7 or IE8.
The exceptions are China and the Middle East. If you want to sell there then you need to support IE6 because nobody has a genuine licenced copy of Windows so they can't upgrade.
Things are a bit different when your customers are large corporates and not the man on the Clapham omnibus. The exceptions are China and the Middle East. If you want to sell there then you need to support IE6 because nobody has a genuine licenced copy of Windows so they can't upgrade.
The death of Flash was the best thing to ever happen to the web. Not only was it a huge security hole ...
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendo...
... but it was used by people that just didn't understand the media they were trying to use. Let's not even get into the accessibility issues, and the fact it was proprietary and never a standard, and as a result wasn't even cross-platform.
If you need to use Flash you're doing everything wrong, you're using the wrong platform for your bloated, memory-leaking crap.
Good riddance.
http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendo...
... but it was used by people that just didn't understand the media they were trying to use. Let's not even get into the accessibility issues, and the fact it was proprietary and never a standard, and as a result wasn't even cross-platform.
If you need to use Flash you're doing everything wrong, you're using the wrong platform for your bloated, memory-leaking crap.
Good riddance.
As much as I think it had very little to do with design, Flash was - and to a lesser extent, is - really important to the web. Today there's a whole line of almost revisionist thinking that plays that down, but it's not entirely fair.
HTML5 is supposed to have replaced it, but often having given it a try, everyone is still doing native stuff - on the web (YouTube, Netflix) and especially on mobile (Facebook, everything else). Flash and its crappy proprietary nature got things done because you didn't have to wait for everyone to agree on a standard. Flex was the best technical solution for a long time until it was discontinued and decent Javascript frameworks (e.g. ExtJS) eventually kicked in.
Adobe and Flash have many faults, but the technology having been used for adverts, crap games and badly designed apps isn't really one of them.
I'm sure I had something more nuanced to say than that but it's too early in the morning.
HTML5 is supposed to have replaced it, but often having given it a try, everyone is still doing native stuff - on the web (YouTube, Netflix) and especially on mobile (Facebook, everything else). Flash and its crappy proprietary nature got things done because you didn't have to wait for everyone to agree on a standard. Flex was the best technical solution for a long time until it was discontinued and decent Javascript frameworks (e.g. ExtJS) eventually kicked in.
Adobe and Flash have many faults, but the technology having been used for adverts, crap games and badly designed apps isn't really one of them.
I'm sure I had something more nuanced to say than that but it's too early in the morning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2014/newsspec_90...
Responsive site? This is my response: FFS I can't be bothered to stand at the back of my office to read this.
Responsive site? This is my response: FFS I can't be bothered to stand at the back of my office to read this.
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