Apple obsession or delusion
Discussion
ecs said:
mph1977 said:
fashion victim; especially as Apple hardware is now indinstinguishable from high quality windows / Linux boxes - OSx is effectively just a nice UI'd version of one of the Unix flavours
Have you ever used Ubuntu for longer than about 10 seconds? A nice UI is very important.I want a UI that gets the hell out of my way and lets me get work done. Hence why I use http://xmonad.org/
clonmult said:
ecs said:
Both operating systems run on the same architecture though 
Really? I always thought that OS/X and Windows were about as different as could possibly be ... they have roughly nothing in common.in the old days of classic Mac and power mac the fact the systems ran on better than thewintel opposition hardware was part of the attraction
as for UI issues , back in my schooldays I swapped regularly between RiscOS, Win3.11 and Mac system 7 dependiong on what i was doing and where I was ...
George111 said:
Part of the premium is for the OS which is significantly more advanced and usable than Windows 7 or 8.
Disagree.Frankly Microsoft should be charging a premium for the amount of work that goes into supporting so many hundreds of thousands of combinations of hardware and manufacturer differences.
Making software for a set of known products like Apple does is far easier- and even then they mess up as per the last update when my mac and thousands of of other users would lose internet connection and needed a further update to solve.
mph1977 said:
clonmult said:
ecs said:
Both operating systems run on the same architecture though
Really? I always thought that OS/X and Windows were about as different as could possibly be ... they have roughly nothing in common.in the old days of classic Mac and power mac the fact the systems ran on better than thewintel opposition hardware was part of the attraction
as for UI issues , back in my schooldays I swapped regularly between RiscOS, Win3.11 and Mac system 7 dependiong on what i was doing and where I was ...
Fond memories of RiscOS, I still wish that mice had select/menu/adjust button. The interface worked pretty well, it still stands up quite well.
Yazar said:
Frankly Microsoft should be charging a premium for the amount of work that goes into supporting so many hundreds of thousands of combinations of hardware and manufacturer differences.
They effectively do, as new OSX versions are free updates these days. Something which I'd guess hurts Microsoft a little.WinstonWolf said:
ZesPak said:
Xaero said:
They effectively do, as new OSX versions are free updates these days. Something which I'd guess hurts Microsoft a little.
In what way? People that already forked out for Apple hardware get OSX updates for free. People that have computers running windows have to pay to go from 7 ->8, but I don't see how the former hurts microsoft?
Unless someone says: damn, it's £150 for a new windows, might as well get a new £1500 computer with OSX?
If OSX were to be sold seperately it would be a very different matter, I agree.
The one thing I don't think anyone has mentioned in this thread is quality. If you look at Mac hardware it just oozes quality. Everything fits, screws are smooth and flush. PC hardware tends to be plastic, flexible, laptop lids crack, screws recessed rather than flush, so little holes to gather dust and muck. It's a bit like comparing a Kia with a Mercedes - no comparison on quality, but they both do the same job. If no one cares about quality, why do so many people buy Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes etc when they could buy some cheap Far Eastern thing to drive around in. I use both PC and Mac, and have found for wireless networking the Mac's have better range and better reliability. I also think my 2010 Macbook Pro is running just as fast as the day I bought it, but my 2014 Windows 8.1 laptop is already slowing after numerous updates. My 2007 iMac still starts, runs and performs just as the day I bought it. Yes, they cost more, but if they last a lot longer are they really more expensive in the long run?
crowfield said:
The one thing I don't think anyone has mentioned in this thread is quality. If you look at Mac hardware it just oozes quality. Everything fits, screws are smooth and flush. PC hardware tends to be plastic, flexible, laptop lids crack, screws recessed rather than flush, so little holes to gather dust and muck. It's a bit like comparing a Kia with a Mercedes - no comparison on quality, but they both do the same job. If no one cares about quality, why do so many people buy Jaguar, BMW, Mercedes etc when they could buy some cheap Far Eastern thing to drive around in. I use both PC and Mac, and have found for wireless networking the Mac's have better range and better reliability. I also think my 2010 Macbook Pro is running just as fast as the day I bought it, but my 2014 Windows 8.1 laptop is already slowing after numerous updates. My 2007 iMac still starts, runs and performs just as the day I bought it. Yes, they cost more, but if they last a lot longer are they really more expensive in the long run?
as has previously been stated a lot of the stuff aobut the quality of PC hardware against the quality of apple hardware is an unfiar comparision you can buy a PC that is anything from a a chinese minivan with a dodgy faux BMW grille through to a rolls royce , if you buy a mac you can buy a SAAB and that's it ...
if you look at HP or dell within their PC ranges , much like say VAG there's several different ranges while some of the parts are thesame the overall fit , finish and marketing covers the various different sub brands , the main difference between the PC builder and VAG is everything comes out with the group badge on it rather than ' pavillion' being marketed and sold through a different set up to 'envy'
Using cars to compare computers is silly. If Kia made a 5 litre V8 car with RWD I'd consider it, but they don't, so I have to go to someone like BMW or Mercedes-Benz etc to get one.
So my HP Envy is plastic? I really couldnt give a rats arse about it. I look at it, I use it. I dont want, no sorry, I need to think like an Apple user - I dont NEED others to go "oooooooh, he uses an Apple product, he must be some kind of God". I dont care if people look at my laptop and go "He should've got an Apple, much nicer". My Laptop does 100% of the things that I want to do, 100% of the time. I dont think it is an ugly laptop either, but I'd rather pay £1000 less and get something of the same specification (my HP is the same spec as a £1700 MBP) and be able to spend that £1000 how I like, rather than having something for others to marvel at. I don't, I see a MBP / MBA and just see a laptop, just that someone made a different choice to me.
So my HP Envy is plastic? I really couldnt give a rats arse about it. I look at it, I use it. I dont want, no sorry, I need to think like an Apple user - I dont NEED others to go "oooooooh, he uses an Apple product, he must be some kind of God". I dont care if people look at my laptop and go "He should've got an Apple, much nicer". My Laptop does 100% of the things that I want to do, 100% of the time. I dont think it is an ugly laptop either, but I'd rather pay £1000 less and get something of the same specification (my HP is the same spec as a £1700 MBP) and be able to spend that £1000 how I like, rather than having something for others to marvel at. I don't, I see a MBP / MBA and just see a laptop, just that someone made a different choice to me.
TheAngryDog said:
^^^ another person who misses the point about cost entirely. I'm never buying an apple product again, it seems to affect intellence 
But my Mac cost, say £1000 and lasts at least 8 years and still performs perfectly, I spend £500 on a PC laptop ( HP Probook if you must know ) and within a year it is slowing down. After 3 years I shall have to replace with another £500 laptop, so overall the cost is higher - Since owning the Mac, I have had 3 PC laptops. And as to affecting intelligence - you cant even spell it! 
crowfield said:
But my Mac cost, say £1000 and lasts at least 8 years and still performs perfectly, I spend £500 on a PC laptop ( HP Probook if you must know ) and within a year it is slowing down. After 3 years I shall have to replace with another £500 laptop, so overall the cost is higher - Since owning the Mac, I have had 3 PC laptops. And as to affecting intelligence - you cant even spell it!
I wonder what you're doing to the laptops for them to only last three years? My first laptop lasted a few years but it was a cheap £300 PC World special. The £500 one I got after that is still going now, some 10 years later. My last one I gave to my ex as I didn't need it. I am sure my current Hp will last a while.You're telling me! I'm clearly being affected remotely by you Apple users!
My intelligence is dropping everytime I read an idiotic reply, of which there are many 
crowfield said:
10 year old laptop! Bloody hell! I assume you are not using any new software
Its got Windows XP on it. Its not used for much, but it still works fine.My 7 year old desktop is still fine - It has 2gb of RAM (I'll upgrade it to 4gb) and I'm going to use it as a second server at home (use it back up my VM's).
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