Apple obsession or delusion

[robsa]

But people do only wear Nike or Adidas and wouldn't entertain other brands. And they do think they are better than the other brands.

I just find the bile directed at apple and it's users slightly... Over the top maybe? Dunno.

Personally I love macbooks, but moved to android phones and tablets years ago. I still think macbooks are the best all round laptops though.

[ZesPak]

They're good laptops, but the ubiquity of Windows and the requirement for it in the work place can only make it a good all rounder in certain cases.

[Don]

ZesPak said:

They're good laptops, but the ubiquity of Windows and the requirement for it in the work place can only make it a good all rounder in certain cases.

They've fixed the Windows requirement. Microsoft themselves do a Remote Desktop app for Mac. Bloomin' great. Many workplaces are changing to RDP based scenarios for security and the actual terminal (!) is once again just that. A MacBook will do that easily. I remote from my macs at home to the work RDP all the time. Don't need a PC just for work...

[Gaspode]

I am a confirmed Mac user, but have to use Windows at work - a typical scenario. My current client, however, has rolled out Windows To Go for contractors and consultants, and so now I get to use my MacBook Air at work, running Win 8.1 as a VM under Parallels. Happy days. WTG is a brilliant solution, it works really well.

[ATG]

robsa said:

But people do only wear Nike or Adidas and wouldn't entertain other brands. And they do think they are better than the other brands.

Yes. They are deluded fashion victims because they are objectively wrong ... i.e. there are other manufacturers making specialist sports shoes. The only thing "special" about Nike and Adidas is their branding.

Apple make nice laptops. If someone wants to fork out for one, that's fine and no one in their right mind would criticise them for doing so. But it is silly to claim they are the only sane choice or claim they have the power to heal the sick and feed the hungry and it's fine to point out hyperbole when you hear it.

For my own part I use XP, Win 7, three flavours of Linux and a couple of Android versions at the moment. And I've used a few Macs over the years too. Frankly I find it hard to get excited about how many buttons there are on a mouse and where the clicky bits are on the screen ... its just another desktop environment. There is very little between them. None of them are going to make one iota of difference to your productivity actually using the computer to do some work.

[Tycho]

ATG said:

robsa said:

But people do only wear Nike or Adidas and wouldn't entertain other brands. And they do think they are better than the other brands.

Yes. They are deluded fashion victims because they are objectively wrong ... i.e. there are other manufacturers making specialist sports shoes. The only thing "special" about Nike and Adidas is their branding.

Which makes Apples acquisition of Beats logical.

[Richyboy]

Just put a larger capacity/faster ssd into my 4 year old macbook and its like a new computer (apart from rounding two of the screws due to crappy supplied tools). Battery is at 78% of its original capacity and computer looks as good as when I first bought it. If I bought a pc laptop it would've been cheaper but it also would've been worthless by now IMO.

[alock]

Don said:

They've fixed the Windows requirement. Microsoft themselves do a Remote Desktop app for Mac. Bloomin' great. Many workplaces are changing to RDP based scenarios for security and the actual terminal (!) is once again just that. A MacBook will do that easily. I remote from my macs at home to the work RDP all the time. Don't need a PC just for work...

I find it shocking that you are justify your £1000+ laptop because it can do the work of a £40 Raspberry Pi acting as a dumb terminal.

These Apple/Microsoft/Linux arguments are simple for most people:

1) You spend most of your time in an application that works better on one platform over the others. This might be Visual Studio, AutoCAD, Photoshop, etc... Buy the hardware and operating system best suited for this task. Any platform will do everything else well-enough.

2) You use general availability simple applications such as a browser or office suite. The actual platform is irrelevant as a computer to you is a white good. Buy what you want based on your own looks/cost priorities like you buy clothing, cars, appliances etc...

[mph1977]

Richyboy said:

Just put a larger capacity/faster ssd into my 4 year old macbook and its like a new computer (apart from rounding two of the screws due to crappy supplied tools). Battery is at 78% of its original capacity and computer looks as good as when I first bought it. If I bought a pc laptop it would've been cheaper but it also would've been worthless by now IMO.

thankyou for stating the blooming obvious over a recurring theme ...

a lotof the comparisions are not fair they compare bargain basement Argos/ PC world special Windows machines against Macs rather than comparing the high end sub brands from the main pc assemblers( e.g. HP 'Envy' machines or Dell 'Precision' machines( which cross into workstation territory)

Edited by mph1977 on Wednesday 17th December 11:17

[Mr_Yogi]

Richyboy said:

Just put a larger capacity/faster ssd into my 4 year old macbook and its like a new computer (apart from rounding two of the screws due to crappy supplied tools). Battery is at 78% of its original capacity and computer looks as good as when I first bought it. If I bought a pc laptop it would've been cheaper but it also would've been worthless by now IMO.

Are you a Nike or Adidas man?

[ZesPak]

Mr_Yogi said:

Richyboy said:

Just put a larger capacity/faster ssd into my 4 year old macbook and its like a new computer (apart from rounding two of the screws due to crappy supplied tools). Battery is at 78% of its original capacity and computer looks as good as when I first bought it. If I bought a pc laptop it would've been cheaper but it also would've been worthless by now IMO.

Are you a Nike or Adidas man?

Probably Gucci.

Obviously trolling though.

[clonmult]

Richyboy said:

Just put a larger capacity/faster ssd into my 4 year old macbook and its like a new computer (apart from rounding two of the screws due to crappy supplied tools). Battery is at 78% of its original capacity and computer looks as good as when I first bought it. If I bought a pc laptop it would've been cheaper but it also would've been worthless by now IMO.

I'm trying to figure out your point. I can't figure out what you're getting at. So you're going to be selling your macbook ... after just putting in a new SSD?

My old i7 laptop still looks and runs like new. I really don't care that its worthless; its still quicker than most similarly priced new laptops (can't find anything under £500 that comes close to its performance), has a nice aluminium body ....

[jimmyjimjim]

Richyboy said:

Just put a larger capacity/faster ssd into my 4 year old macbook and its like a new computer (apart from rounding two of the screws due to crappy supplied tools). Battery is at 78% of its original capacity and computer looks as good as when I first bought it. If I bought a pc laptop it would've been cheaper but it also would've been worthless by now IMO.

Upgraded and reloaded 4 year old computer is better than it was when standard shocker.

The Wife's PC (my old one from 8 years ago)decided to crap out yesterday. Power on, it would post, then just shut down. Power it up again, wouldn't even get that far. Leave it a few minutes, it would get as far as the first time, but no more
After some extensive diagnosis*

• (I opened the side of the case and the cpu cooler fell out.)

I determined the tension from the cooler on the retention frame had broken the retaining lugs one by one over time.
Took it off, drilled a couple of pilot holes where two of them used to be, carefully screwed in a couple of short woodscrews, reassembled, good as new.

The only modification it has had since new - except for one of the graphics cards (two mediocre ones in SLI) died, and was pulled.

So half the graphics performance it used to have and still performs as well for desktop jobs as it ever did.

My desktop PC (the replacement for the above) is 4 years old, still going strong with just a replacement graphics card itself, as the original died.

[Don]

alock said:

Don said:

They've fixed the Windows requirement. Microsoft themselves do a Remote Desktop app for Mac. Bloomin' great. Many workplaces are changing to RDP based scenarios for security and the actual terminal (!) is once again just that. A MacBook will do that easily. I remote from my macs at home to the work RDP all the time. Don't need a PC just for work...

I find it shocking that you are justify your £1000+ laptop because it can do the work of a £40 Raspberry Pi acting as a dumb terminal.

These Apple/Microsoft/Linux arguments are simple for most people:

1) You spend most of your time in an application that works better on one platform over the others. This might be Visual Studio, AutoCAD, Photoshop, etc... Buy the hardware and operating system best suited for this task. Any platform will do everything else well-enough.

2) You use general availability simple applications such as a browser or office suite. The actual platform is irrelevant as a computer to you is a white good. Buy what you want based on your own looks/cost priorities like you buy clothing, cars, appliances etc...

At home I do everything on Macs. The fact that I can address work when I need to is handy. My point is if you have decided on Mac at home it makes no difference with the ability to connect to work.

[pavka007]

Just to mix up the debate even more..... I love my iMac's (yes I have two of them), both are just over 6 years old updated with Yosemite and running superb, very happy with them...however here is the twist
Recently I bought used but immaculate Acer C720 Chromebook from fleebay for just over 100 quid, "splashed" out another 65 quid on 128GB SSD from Amazon, installed Ubuntu to run parallel to the Google OS and now.....I am using this Chromebook almost 99% of the time. The only time I fire up one of the Imac's is if I am in need to download movies, TV programs, music etc. I was very close to pull the trigger on a new MacBook Air or Pro, oh boy I am so glad I didn't Saved myself close to 800 quid and the final result....for every day use the Chromebook is simply superb. For me, the Chromebook is the same as my Moto G Android phone. As a "white goods appliance" they both are excellent for a fraction of the cost.
Chromebook with 128GB SSD = £180 quid
Motorola Moto G 16GB = £120 quid
Total = £300
This is way less that just a "top of the line"(???) mobile phone.
Anyone wants to buy 2X 24" Imac's?