Apple obsession or delusion

[Tycho]

George111 said:

Both cars, both get you from A to B in the dry. One does it faster, quieter, smoother and in greater comfort and greater reliability.

If you look at the quality of a Mabook Pro at £1300 and a basic Dell laptop at £400 the Apple is so, so much better, not just the hardware but the software, the integration, the backup, the support . . . it's all streets ahead of Dell and I'm not knocking Dell, good products especially their servers, but Apple tablets and laptops are so far ahead in terms of quality, reliability, usability and even . . . style. . . . that Dell/HP/Asus/ etc didn't see which way they went.

The Macbook pro better had be so much better than a laptop which costs 1/3 of the price. Compare it to the equivalent price laptop and the story will be different.

[George111]

Tycho said:

George111 said:

Both cars, both get you from A to B in the dry. One does it faster, quieter, smoother and in greater comfort and greater reliability.

If you look at the quality of a Mabook Pro at £1300 and a basic Dell laptop at £400 the Apple is so, so much better, not just the hardware but the software, the integration, the backup, the support . . . it's all streets ahead of Dell and I'm not knocking Dell, good products especially their servers, but Apple tablets and laptops are so far ahead in terms of quality, reliability, usability and even . . . style. . . . that Dell/HP/Asus/ etc didn't see which way they went.

The Macbook pro better had be so much better than a laptop which costs 1/3 of the price. Compare it to the equivalent price laptop and the story will be different.

It is, that's the point. The development that's gone into it is way way greater than Dell put into their laptops. They are all good products - you just choose the price point you want to play at.

I bought Mrs G a good spec Mac Book Pro a couple of months ago and she's over the moon with it, she'd had plenty of computers over the years and the girls have Dell laptops but the Mac Book Pro is simply streets ahead . . . . it's just a choice of how much you want to spend, Vauxhall Astra 1.3 or Audi A4 3.0 ? You choose, they both do a similar task.

[lbc]

It's simple....

If you don't like computers buy Apple.

If you have a brain that works, buy a Microsoft PC or Android phone.

[WinstonWolf]

RobDickinson said:

We'll have the usual apple how well they are built statement soon too...

Being the 5th most reliable laptop brand behind some big names we all know.

A big big apple fanboy mate I know has just moved to a surface pro 3 and loving it, I know its a nice machine but the fact he is so into it surprised me.

The Surface Pro 3 is the device Win 8 really does work well on, I'm a big Apple fan but that device rocks for business use

I also run 8 on a high spec PC with dual monitors (27") and a trackpad. The OS just doesn't cut it on a desktop IMO which is a shame as it's the best 'Doze kernel by a mile.

It sits idle as I just prefer working on my iMac.

Could be I'm just fed up of the daily grind of fixing MS problems in the day job, but the Mac feels so nice and intuitive to use.

[Meoricin]

clonmult said:

I tend to think that its more like comparing a Seat to an Audi. Same underneath, different up top.

Surely it'd be more like comparing an Audi to -all other cars-, while also stipulating that the Audi will be more expensive to service (albeit requiring less for the average user), and cannot be modified in any way.

[Djtemeka]

tank slapper said:

You don't have to buy a cheap PC though. If you spend as much as a mac cost on decent quality components rather than the cheapest available, you would have a machine easily capable of lasting years for general office work. Chances are it would be more powerful than the equivalent mac and more upgradeable too. Today's macs are largely based on PC components anyway, so there is little difference in performance potential.

My pc is 4 years old. the box was £1000. I specced it with an i7 processor. it still plays the best games today at full graphics. I've not spent a cent on it either

[bitchstewie]

Kermit power said:

bhstewie said:

People say Apple don't "get" enterprise and I suspect that actually they do, they've simple decided that they don't want to go there.

Not true. For the iPad at least, they're desperate to get into Enterprise, hence the agreement signed with IBM for the development of Enterprise-class apps.

Really?

How many billion do Apple have in the bank?

Why can I still not do something simple like buy an iPad and give it to a team of people and let them each have their own logon/profile so they can all check their mail?

I'm only going off what I can see, but with the resources at their disposal they've had long enough and are sitting on enough money that I can't think of many reasons that they couldn't have done it by now if they really wanted to.

To be fair though my point was aimed more at the whole onsite support and other stuff that you take for granted from the likes of Dell or HP or whoever.

[ZesPak]

bhstewie said:

Why can I still not do something simple like buy an iPad and give it to a team of people and let them each have their own logon/profile so they can all check their mail?

Can't be bothered to find the topic, but I tried to bring up login functionality on the iPad here and I got slayed by some people saying that the ipad would only get worse if they did it and that no-one apparently wants that pointless functionality.

So there's your why.

[onlynik]

ZesPak said:

Took me all of 5secs to find:
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/lap...
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/lap...

That'll have you a low spec MBP with the amazing amount of 4GB RAM and stuff.

Have you ever used a PC Specialist laptop (or other resellers of Clevo)?

I have a Vortex II gaming laptop. It must weigh about 4Kg. The PSU is the size of a house brick, and weighs around 1Kg.

The trackpad and body have a sort of rubberised feel to it and the edge of the laptop is quite sharp that you really don't want to be typing on it for long.

It's not just the components inside the laptop. It is the whole package.

[RobDickinson]

So look at a yoga pro 2 or a lenovo x1 carbon or whatever.

plenty of macbook/pro/air competitiors

Though we have dumped lenovo due to recent shocking build qualty issues!

[audi321]

ZesPak said:

Took me all of 5secs to find:
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/lap...
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/lap...

That'll have you a low spec MBP with the amazing amount of 4GB RAM and stuff.

I'd love to see you try running the latest games on those things lol

[MethylatedSpirit]

A lenovo think-pad will be equity well built and bombproof for the price, but they aren't trendy.

I was fidgeting with the laptops in PC world the other day and the quality of a mid range ideapad is brilliant and still looks as good as a macbook (without trying to copy)


In the end, I use my macbook for most university stuff, it's 5 years old but the batter actually lasts ages, trackpad is brilliant and it's super stable. Easy to use with minimal faff

To add balance, my think-pad is still running fine after 4 years . . . Several of parents dells have bitten the dust in that period.

[Vaud]

bhstewie said:

Kermit power said:

bhstewie said:

People say Apple don't "get" enterprise and I suspect that actually they do, they've simple decided that they don't want to go there.

Not true. For the iPad at least, they're desperate to get into Enterprise, hence the agreement signed with IBM for the development of Enterprise-class apps.

Really?

How many billion do Apple have in the bank?

Why can I still not do something simple like buy an iPad and give it to a team of people and let them each have their own logon/profile so they can all check their mail?

I'm only going off what I can see, but with the resources at their disposal they've had long enough and are sitting on enough money that I can't think of many reasons that they couldn't have done it by now if they really wanted to.

To be fair though my point was aimed more at the whole onsite support and other stuff that you take for granted from the likes of Dell or HP or whoever.

FYI - they have just formed an Enterprise sales team.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/10/us-apple...

[RobDickinson]

MethylatedSpirit said:

A lenovo think-pad will be equity well built and bombproof for the price, but they aren't trendy.

Sadly no they wont, not any more. We have had endless issues with ours for the last 2 years and swapped to dulls

[mildmannered]

audi321 said:

And it'll still be worth £600 in 3 years, where the windows machine will probably be almost ready for chucking away.

Thing is, you're not wrong per say, as people will still dribble over an old Mac, meaning they have a high residual value. But I'm pretty sure this is basically down to desirability and buying a second hand Mac makes them more accessible to the people on a smaller budget. There is no two ways about it, they have a lovely tactile quality about them that just oozes want.
Re image an old Windows machine removing all the gumf they accumulate and they fly along again

[Yazar]

George111 said:

If you look at the quality of a Mabook Pro at £1300 and a basic Dell laptop at £400 the Apple is so, so much better,

Is it just over 3 times better?

[gpo746]

Yazar said:

George111 said:

If you look at the quality of a Mabook Pro at £1300 and a basic Dell laptop at £400 the Apple is so, so much better,

Is it just over 3 times better?

its unclear isn't it ? Had he said - "If you look at the quality of a Mabook Pro at £1300 and a basic Dell laptop at £400 the Apple is so, so, so much better" - it would have been definitive. As it stands the ambiguity is there.
Maybe it depends which MacBook Spec/ Dell Spec/ you have and whether you buy a slip in neoprene pouch with it.

[clonmult]

bhstewie said:

Kermit power said:

bhstewie said:

People say Apple don't "get" enterprise and I suspect that actually they do, they've simple decided that they don't want to go there.

Not true. For the iPad at least, they're desperate to get into Enterprise, hence the agreement signed with IBM for the development of Enterprise-class apps.

Really?

How many billion do Apple have in the bank?

Why can I still not do something simple like buy an iPad and give it to a team of people and let them each have their own logon/profile so they can all check their mail?

I'm only going off what I can see, but with the resources at their disposal they've had long enough and are sitting on enough money that I can't think of many reasons that they couldn't have done it by now if they really wanted to.

To be fair though my point was aimed more at the whole onsite support and other stuff that you take for granted from the likes of Dell or HP or whoever.

We have a choice of Apple and Android kit for works phones, use them heavily for email.

Well, I say "heavily", but thats not strictly true. You can only heavily use email on an iPhone is you're a masochist. The iOS keyboard is clearly the worst on any current smartphone. It isn't totally useless, but it is really, really poor.

And its the one bit of skeuomorphic design still in iOS (which they were supposed to have removed), I don't see why they haven't udpated it.

[Leithen]

clonmult said:

We have a choice of Apple and Android kit for works phones, use them heavily for email.

Well, I say "heavily", but thats not strictly true. You can only heavily use email on an iPhone is you're a masochist. The iOS keyboard is clearly the worst on any current smartphone. It isn't totally useless, but it is really, really poor.

And its the one bit of skeuomorphic design still in iOS (which they were supposed to have removed), I don't see why they haven't udpated it.

It's taken a while, but you can now install third party keyboards.

[Lost soul]

Yazar said:

George111 said:

If you look at the quality of a Mabook Pro at £1300 and a basic Dell laptop at £400 the Apple is so, so much better,

Is it just over 3 times better?

you know what , I think it is