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Sensationalist crap focussing on Apple bashing only or true and it is only an Apple issue?
Imo it is using the apple brand to highlight the issue (and I accept that there is an issue) but everyone is at it
Samsung
Google (Asus)
HP
Lenovo
What about Sky? They make their own boxes now, where to they get there tin for example.
I understand the reason for the program, but I don't understand the need to focus on a single manufacturer when there are many out there involved in the same dodgy business practices (they'd just bashed them about tin, everyone who makes electronic products needs tin!
V.
Imo it is using the apple brand to highlight the issue (and I accept that there is an issue) but everyone is at it
Samsung
Google (Asus)
HP
Lenovo
What about Sky? They make their own boxes now, where to they get there tin for example.
I understand the reason for the program, but I don't understand the need to focus on a single manufacturer when there are many out there involved in the same dodgy business practices (they'd just bashed them about tin, everyone who makes electronic products needs tin!
V.
Well, we had a police commissioner that presented a weekly TV segment about safety in traffic.
He was from time to time bleating about enforcing zero tolerance on drinking as well.
A couple of years later he got caught over the limit, like thousands of others. But he did get a lot more stick than most people though.
That's basically why Apple gets all the attention now.
He was from time to time bleating about enforcing zero tolerance on drinking as well.
A couple of years later he got caught over the limit, like thousands of others. But he did get a lot more stick than most people though.
That's basically why Apple gets all the attention now.
VEX said:
I understand the reason for the program, but I don't understand the need to focus on a single manufacturer when there are many out there involved in the same dodgy business practices (they'd just bashed them about tin, everyone who makes electronic products needs tin!
I suppose because Apple kit is very premium priced.It's hard to imagine that labour cost is very significant in an iPhone.
Sheepshanks said:
I suppose because Apple kit is very premium priced.
It's hard to imagine that labour cost is very significant in an iPhone.
The premium price is generally a bit of myth. Sure they don't make bargain kit, or try to compete at the lower end, but their products are comparable in price to the flagships of companies like Sony, Microsoft, Samsung etc.It's hard to imagine that labour cost is very significant in an iPhone.
It's pure Apple bashing, all the companies are at it. Perhaps also a bit of racism/dual standards - do people care that Samsung (Korean) use slave labour? Probably not as much as they care about Apple, a US company.
Sheepshanks said:
I suppose because Apple kit is very premium priced.
It's hard to imagine that labour cost is very significant in an iPhone.
It isn't, breakdown of the iphone5 here:It's hard to imagine that labour cost is very significant in an iPhone.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-cost-wh...
Labour cost estimated to be around $8 per unit !
Apple's profit on a $650 iPhone 5 is estimated around 45%, nearly $300.
thehawk said:
The premium price is generally a bit of myth. Sure they don't make bargain kit, or try to compete at the lower end, but their products are comparable in price to the flagships of companies like Sony, Microsoft, Samsung etc.
In comparable prices, Apple still makes a lot more money, it's a fact.The production of some components the competition puts in is just a lot more expensive (eg: AMOLED screens).
Whatever way you look at it, the margin on the iPhones is the biggest in the business short of Vertu.
Sorry to go off topic.
MEC said:
Very telling that Apple refused to be interviewed.
Probably because they get so many requests from sensationalist "investigative" journos, and they'd be unlikely to say anything that isn't in their Supplier Responsibility progress report anyway.Apple are doing a lot better than most on this, but the uncomfortable truth is that (especially around getting raw materials) there are a lot of people working in poor conditions to get them. Most hide behind layers and layers of suppliers and subcontractors but ultimately don't care too much as long as the components keep coming.
sjg said:
MEC said:
Very telling that Apple refused to be interviewed.
Probably because they get so many requests from sensationalist "investigative" journos, and they'd be unlikely to say anything that isn't in their Supplier Responsibility progress report anyway.Apple are doing a lot better than most on this, but the uncomfortable truth is that (especially around getting raw materials) there are a lot of people working in poor conditions to get them. Most hide behind layers and layers of suppliers and subcontractors but ultimately don't care too much as long as the components keep coming.
I work for a very large ($60+ bn turnover, 125k+ people) company and I am quite sure if you went looking hard enough you could find some dodgy suppliers in our supply chain.
What these media studies types don't get is this is how the world operates. We can't all be paid £35k+ a year to sit behind a desk, somebody has do the crap work nobody else wants.
Its a bit like the Amazon exposure one, their shock at pickers having cycle times for picking items. Amazon's warehouse are there to make money by picking and packing stuff, if you don't know how long it takes to pick and pack something, you don't know how much it costs you to pick it and pack it. Every single factory in the world has cycle times to work to.
thehawk said:
The premium price is generally a bit of myth. Sure they don't make bargain kit, or try to compete at the lower end, but their products are comparable in price to the flagships of companies like Sony, Microsoft, Samsung etc.
It's pure Apple bashing, all the companies are at it. Perhaps also a bit of racism/dual standards - do people care that Samsung (Korean) use slave labour? Probably not as much as they care about Apple, a US company.
Apples premium products are an easy 15-20% more expensive then any other Sony, Microsoft, Samsung product etc!? They make themselves stand out with their design, pricing, attitude and everyone knows the nail that stands out gets hit? It's a fair cop IMO, but everyone knows they will all be doing it.It's pure Apple bashing, all the companies are at it. Perhaps also a bit of racism/dual standards - do people care that Samsung (Korean) use slave labour? Probably not as much as they care about Apple, a US company.
As for racism, more like the Media picking (rightly or wrongly) on a culture we are more aligned.
Megaflow said:
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What these media studies types don't get is this is how the world operates. We can't all be paid £35k+ a year to sit behind a desk, somebody has do the crap work nobody else wants.....
Exactly this.What these media studies types don't get is this is how the world operates. We can't all be paid £35k+ a year to sit behind a desk, somebody has do the crap work nobody else wants.....
You want a capitalist economy, this is the downside...though without that same capitalist economy, do we think people in these regions would be better or worse off? I strongly suspect the latter, and I strongly suspect the people in those positions wouldn't thank being "helped" if it meant a return to less lucrative (relatively speaking of course) modes of employment.
No society on earth has yet managed to be 100% equal. The concept is a wondrous ideal that is simply impossible to achieve. "Less unequal" is then simply shades of grey depending on context.
sgrimshaw said:
It isn't, breakdown of the iphone5 here:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-cost-wh...
Labour cost estimated to be around $8 per unit !
Apple's profit on a $650 iPhone 5 is estimated around 45%, nearly $300.
But is it, if they are the nuts and bolts costs, who paid for the development?http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-cost-wh...
Labour cost estimated to be around $8 per unit !
Apple's profit on a $650 iPhone 5 is estimated around 45%, nearly $300.
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