Making my DVD collection digital

[FiF]

RizzoTheRat said:

FiF said:

Mind you if the WD drive borked don't fancy doing it all again. Plus there's a load of work related incremental backups on there. Goes off to buy another drive.

I use a NAS for media server and backup, and then ever so often I back that up to a USB drive which I then leave at work. Cheaper than having a fancier RAID NAS and means it's protection against fire/theft/flood too.

Must admit this is generally my plan. Was just musing about a synology as the WD my book is s few years old now. But essentially buy one of those portable 2TB jobbies, connect by usb and store it at the outlaws.

[Gingerbread Man]

sgrimshaw said:

There is no evidence to suggest that it is illegal to download a copy made by someone else, but since you seem so sure it is perhaps you'd be so good as to share the source of your information.

I agree with Trooper. It depends how you read it.

It's seems to me it's legal to make a copy and then save offline to a hard drive or a DVD. Or you can upload it to a personal cloud based storage, but letting others download it is ilegal, so if you make your 'copy' by downloading, it's probably up there illegally in the first instance if it's free to get.

It reads to me that you can legally make a copy by physically copying your original. You've not physically made the downloaded copy. If it differed in any slight way, it wouldn't technically be a copy, it would be another version.

Again, it depends how you read it. I doubt it'll make any such difference.

[trooperiziz]

sgrimshaw said:

trooperiziz said:

You are reading into it what you want to read. That states that it is legal to make a copy of content that you already have. I.e. you can make your own copy and format shift it if you want to. Downloading it from another source isn't making your own copy. It's a pedantic difference, but when has the law ever been anything but pedantic
It is not legal to download a copy someone else has made, regardless of whether you own it already or not.

There is no evidence to suggest that it is illegal to download a copy made by someone else, but since you seem so sure it is perhaps you'd be so good as to share the source of your information.

Sure thing.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/sectio...

That legislation hasn't been redacted or amended by the new legislation.

[trooperiziz]

Gingerbread Man said:

It reads to me that you can legally make a copy by physically copying your original. You've not physically made the downloaded copy. If it differed in any slight way, it wouldn't technically be a copy, it would be another version.

Exactly.

I'm not arguing that you shouldn't do it. I did. But it is illegal.

[SlidingSideways]

None of the legislation I've read so far explicitly prohibits downloading copies, it all relates to making copies available to others (which you do as part of a torrent download, unless you specifically stop the upstream).

There's a bit on this page which I think applies though

findlaw.co.uk said:

If you download a song, film, game or software from a file-sharing website or another website (such as a page on a social-networking site) where it's made available, and you do not pay for the item or otherwise obtain it under licence from the copyright holder, then you are infringing someone's copyright.

Surely if you have purchased the DVD, you have obtained a licence to view that film and are not infringing their copyright?

Assuming that holds true, then technically this approach is more legal than ripping it yourself as that requires the copy protection to be bypassed, which is still illegal.

[RizzoTheRat]

However the person who you're downloading from is in breach of copyright, so does that mean you're handling stolen goods?

[Cotty]

I rip DVD's to watch on my ipod touch on the train.
I used http://www.winxdvd.com/dvd-ripper/ takes less than 10 minutes a film.

[SlidingSideways]

RizzoTheRat said:

However the person who you're downloading from is in breach of copyright, so does that mean you're handling stolen goods?

Yeah, I did wonder that. I also suspect that the licence for the DVD relates to watching that DVD only, and will exclude permission it watch it on other mediums and is probably the reason that downloading is still technically illegal.

By the sounds of things, the only thing the change in the copyright act allows you to do with commercial, copy protected DVDs, is make a bit-for-bit copy of it (so either a duplicate DVD or ISO image). Format shifting (ripping to MKV, MP4, DivX etc...) is still illegal as it requires the copy protection to be circumvented.

[AnimalMkIV]

I've ripped quite a few DVD's to hard drives now using Clone DVD (I think, I'll have to check when I get home) They usually seem to come in at a couple of Gb max, less if I take the time to strip out extra languages, subtitles and extras I don't need.

When I was working away, I started off with them on a 1Tb portable hard drive and bought one of these to attach to the tv in b&b's:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sumvision-Cyclone-Micro-Me...

Fabulous little device, smaller than a packet of fags, just plug into TV, plug hard drive in and it will play pretty much any format. It's like having VLC media player in a box.

I've since upgraded to one of these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyclone-Fusion-Player-Dock...

It has 2 USB ports and a cradle to take a full size SATA drive. It also has a mini USB port at the back that you can plug a laptop/pc into and play files through. Again, the same interface and useability, just a bigger unit and the facility to have 3 drives attached.

I would definitely recommend one of these for pure ease of use and price.

[sgrimshaw]

trooperiziz said:

Sure thing.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/sectio...

That legislation hasn't been redacted or amended by the new legislation.

I think you'll find it has .....

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2014/978011111...

[trooperiziz]

sgrimshaw said:

trooperiziz said:

Sure thing.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/sectio...

That legislation hasn't been redacted or amended by the new legislation.

I think you'll find it has .....

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2014/978011111...

Which is a different act and has not redacted the act I linked to.
Regardless of that, the act you linked to makes it pretty clear:

"28B Personal copies for private use

(1) The making of a copy of a work, other than a computer program, by an individual does not infringe copyright in the work provided that the copy—

(a)is a copy of—
(i)the individual’s own copy of the work, or
(ii)a personal copy of the work made by the individual,
(b)is made for the individual’s private use, and
(c)is made for ends which are neither directly nor indirectly commercial.
(2) In this section “the individual’s own copy” is a copy which—

(a)has been lawfully acquired by the individual on a permanent basis,
(b)is not an infringing copy, and
(c)has not been made under any provision of this Chapter which permits the making of a copy without infringing copyright.
(3) In this section a “personal copy” means a copy made under this section.

(4) For the purposes of subsection (2)(a), a copy “lawfully acquired on a permanent basis”—

(a)includes a copy which has been purchased, obtained by way of a gift, or acquired by means of a download resulting from a purchase or a gift (other than a download of a kind mentioned in paragraph (b)); and
(b)does not include a copy which has been borrowed, rented, broadcast or streamed, or a copy which has been obtained by means of a download enabling no more than temporary access to the copy."


A downloaded copy fails under both 2(b) and 2(c). It's an infringing copy as it has been put online for anyone to download, and the download you make is a copy of that copy, which is not allowed. It has to be a copy of an original.

Edited by trooperiziz on Friday 9th January 16:37

[RizzoTheRat]

Although that leads to another interesting thought.

Surely with digital media any copy is an exact copy, so if you copied a disk, copied the copy, and I copied my own disk, they'd all be identical. Doesn't it get a bit trick to define a copy? If your disk is identical to my disk, and I'm allowed to have a copy of my disk, why can't I have a copy of your disk instead, which would identical to a copy of my disk?

[trooperiziz]

RizzoTheRat said:

Although that leads to another interesting thought.

Surely with digital media any copy is an exact copy, so if you copied a disk, copied the copy, and I copied my own disk, they'd all be identical. Doesn't it get a bit trick to define a copy? If your disk is identical to my disk, and I'm allowed to have a copy of my disk, why can't I have a copy of your disk instead, which would identical to a copy of my disk?

Section 4a of the above covers that.

[Oakey]

It's a stupid argument because it's illegal to circumvent the encryption to make your own copy anyway!

[Scantily]

Considering that you already own the films you'd be downloading, my conscience would be quite clear in doing so.

Also consider that the government are taking a very soft approach to those caught torrenting (max of three letters then nothing as far as I'm aware) and that half the planet are doing the same thing, I really wouldn't be concerned about the potential repercussions if you were caught (very unlikely).

[Jabbah]

trooperiziz said:

A downloaded copy fails under both 2(b) and 2(c). It's an infringing copy as it has been put online for anyone to download, and the download you make is a copy of that copy, which is not allowed. It has to be a copy of an original.

No it doesn't. Section 2 refers specifically to what defines the individuals original legal copy, eg the DVD. Same goes for section 4 (clarification of section 2). Section 1 then details the circumstances under which a copy can be made. Section 1 does not specifically define making a copy through downloading as an infringing act.

[Legend83]

Thanks for al the comments guys. MakeMkv downloaded and ready to go!

[trooperiziz]

Jabbah said:

trooperiziz said:

A downloaded copy fails under both 2(b) and 2(c). It's an infringing copy as it has been put online for anyone to download, and the download you make is a copy of that copy, which is not allowed. It has to be a copy of an original.

No it doesn't. Section 2 refers specifically to what defines the individuals original legal copy, eg the DVD. Same goes for section 4 (clarification of section 2). Section 1 then details the circumstances under which a copy can be made. Section 1 does not specifically define making a copy through downloading as an infringing act.

I give up.

[cornet]

FWIW I have the following setup:

• HP Microserver G7 running FreeNAS and Plex (though this could just as easily be a Windows/Mac/Linux box running plex)
• I use my handbrake on my workstation for ripping DVDs (AMD FX-4100 processor and takes about 30-45min to rip a DVD in high quality)
• Stream to chromecast plugged into my amp from phone/tablet/laptop

Only been running this setup for a few months but it works well. I also have a VPN server running at home (since I don't trust plex's security) which allows me to stream to my phone/tablet/laptop when I'm away from home.

[wffolkes]

Hi

I would very much like to do this and wondered if I could get some help with a step by step guide. Ill do as much as I can to provide you all with some information.

I have around the same 120 dvds maybe less, from what I have figured out so far is I rip the DVD's using handbrake or MakeMKV or both on my laptop. This is where im guessing would I rip them to a NAS?
Is WD Cloud an adequate NAS?
From there I would like to use plex to stream them to my tv or iphone. (im guessing my laptop would need to be on to for this?)

So I wanted to know if this is the correct process and if there is a NAS which doesn't require me to used the laptop to stream via plex?


I hope that all makes sense???